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usaf times f-22 obogs

NavAir42

I'm not dead yet....
pilot
a-12 never made it past a few mockups. F-35b and c versions fly over my house all the time.
Must not be talking about the CIA version, "Habu"
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jarhead

UAL CA; retired hinge
pilot
will the f-35 ever get built?
Good question.
First Operational squadron standing up to transition fairly soon (early CY13??), according to a high ranking USMC official.
While I'm not a "high ranking USMC official", here's the skinny on the first Marine Corps F-35B squadron... the first F-35B squadron is standing up this October in Yuma, AZ. Previous USMC AVPLANs had -332 standing back up from cadre status but that doesn't make sense in a bad economy and a military drawdown so HQMC decided to transition VMFA(AW)-121, with -332 staying in cadre. All aircrew and maintenance personnel in -121 are getting "purged" to allow for the handpicked dudes to come in and take over. Even the incoming CO of -121 is getting re-slated for another CO gig to allow for the "handpicked" F-35B CO to take over. The squadron will drop the (AW) and become VMFA-121. Rumor has it that an F-35B painted in -121 colors will be flown out to Yuma for the CoC. The "handpicked" aircrew are suppose to start a CAT II in Eglin next spring/summer. I don't know when the squadron will become IOC though.

For those curious when the first "Cones" are going to start selecting F-35B out of Advanced...the latest word is 2015. Also keep in mind that with -121 transitioning, we will have one less F/A-18D squadron...meaning the need for less Hornet pilots & WSO's. It's all about timing.

The F-35B, like the MV-22, is "too big to fail"...it's coming, nobody knows when, but it's coming!

As for the F-22 and it's OBOGS issue... like "LSO" said a few replies up... the Hornet has been dealing with OBOGS (and ECS) issues for over a decade.
 

pilot_man

Ex-Rhino driver
pilot
The issue plaguing the F-22 is not the same as the F-18 OBOGS issues. Hopefully these issues won't find their way into the F-35 as well. It is some very scary shit.
 

flaps

happy to be here
None
Contributor
re: "The issue plaguing the F-22 is not the same as the F-18 OBOGS issues."

are there significant f-22/f-18 obogs differences?
 

helolumpy

Apprentice School Principal
pilot
Contributor
Silly helo pilot question here. Other than the time to actually fill the bottles and install in the jet, is there is benefit to OBOGS as compared to LOX?

Maybe it's me, but if the LOX system worked well and the OBOGS has issues, it would seem logical to go with the more reliable system in new airframes....
 

usmarinemike

Solidly part of the 42%.
pilot
Contributor
So the Goshawk and the Harrier have had RELATIVELY few problems with OBOGS. Perhaps because the platforms are employed at slightly lower altitudes most of the time? I can see the pure high altitude look down fighters having OBOGS problems simply because there's so much less O2 in the ambient air.

I wonder if much credence has been given to pulse-ox monitors for aircrew. I imagine there's probably a relatively cheap, comfortable ear attachable apparatus out there. It would take the insidious nature out of the OBOGS issue. The big problem with unrecognized hypoxia would be eliminated. Some would say "just fix the OBOGS, stupid" but if it were that easy we would just engineer everything to not fail and we could save a lot of weight and money in ejection seats and survival training.
 

Sapper!

Excuse the BS...
So the Goshawk and the Harrier have had RELATIVELY few problems with OBOGS. Perhaps because the platforms are employed at slightly lower altitudes most of the time? I can see the pure high altitude look down fighters having OBOGS problems simply because there's so much less O2 in the ambient air.

I wonder if much credence has been given to pulse-ox monitors for aircrew. I imagine there's probably a relatively cheap, comfortable ear attachable apparatus out there. It would take the insidious nature out of the OBOGS issue. The big problem with unrecognized hypoxia would be eliminated. Some would say "just fix the OBOGS, stupid" but if it were that easy we would just engineer everything to not fail and we could save a lot of weight and money in ejection seats and survival training.

If I am not mistaken, the -22 that crashed out in AK gave a fail/warning to the pilot. I get that they are saying the issue was pilot error and not the plane but still, seems like if they had made the survival systems better (little tiny pin to pull the emergency air that would be like a racoon trap) at least ergonomically in this case they guy would have survived. I'm sure if there was a fail safe on the bottle that auto started the on board system as well as a warning, there would be no qualms about flying it? Is that a good assumption? That being said, I believe that is actually the work around here. If there is emergency stash of air on board already, make it redundant with enough O2 to be able to get down from altitude and land safely (guess that defeats the purpose of long range work over enemy territory?) and go flying until a permanent fix comes up?
 

Swanee

Cereal Killer
pilot
None
Contributor
If I am not mistaken, the -22 that crashed out in AK gave a fail/warning to the pilot. I get that they are saying the issue was pilot error and not the plane but still, seems like if they had made the survival systems better (little tiny pin to pull the emergency air that would be like a racoon trap) at least ergonomically in this case they guy would have survived. I'm sure if there was a fail safe on the bottle that auto started the on board system as well as a warning, there would be no qualms about flying it? Is that a good assumption? That being said, I believe that is actually the work around here. If there is emergency stash of air on board already, make it redundant with enough O2 to be able to get down from altitude and land safely (guess that defeats the purpose of long range work over enemy territory?) and go flying until a permanent fix comes up?


But then the emergency O2 wouldn't be independent of the OBOGS system.
 

pourts

former Marine F/A-18 pilot & FAC, current MBA stud
pilot
While I'm not a "high ranking USMC official", here's the skinny on the first Marine Corps F-35B squadron... the first F-35B squadron is standing up this October in Yuma, AZ. Previous USMC AVPLANs had -332 standing back up from cadre status but that doesn't make sense in a bad economy and a military drawdown so HQMC decided to transition VMFA(AW)-121, with -332 staying in cadre. All aircrew and maintenance personnel in -121 are getting "purged" to allow for the handpicked dudes to come in and take over. Even the incoming CO of -121 is getting re-slated for another CO gig to allow for the "handpicked" F-35B CO to take over. The squadron will drop the (AW) and become VMFA-121. Rumor has it that an F-35B painted in -121 colors will be flown out to Yuma for the CoC. The "handpicked" aircrew are suppose to start a CAT II in Eglin next spring/summer. I don't know when the squadron will become IOC though.

For those curious when the first "Cones" are going to start selecting F-35B out of Advanced...the latest word is 2015. Also keep in mind that with -121 transitioning, we will have one less F/A-18D squadron...meaning the need for less Hornet pilots & WSO's. It's all about timing.

The F-35B, like the MV-22, is "too big to fail"...it's coming, nobody knows when, but it's coming!

As for the F-22 and it's OBOGS issue... like "LSO" said a few replies up... the Hornet has been dealing with OBOGS (and ECS) issues for over a decade.

I know what the "official plan" is, but a squadron without jets is no fun for anyone. The guys from 501 come up about twice a month to Beaufort to stay current, and they miss actually flying. I think if a bunch of the 501 guys knew 3 years ago what they know now, they would have fought tooth and nail not to be "handpicked." The only hours they get are in legacy aircraft.
 
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