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Had to remember to let it ring ten times before you hung up and assumed they weren't there, because they might have been on the other side of the house. Answering machine? What was that?
Random8145
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There is a lot of talk in right-wing media about the "wokeness" problem with the modern U.S. military and how our enemies, like the Russians/Chinese/Iranians/etc...don't have any of that "crap" in their militaries, but the problem is those people don't realize that the combat arms only make up a small portion of the overall force and that the U.S. military historically always had enormous problems and has made tremendous improvements as of current times. For example, it used to be that NCOs just learned their knowledge on the job and only officers had professional schooling, whereas now the NCOs have professional schooling as well. And it used to be where tons of the grunts couldn't even read, whereas now most everyone can at least read (and with the need to know how to text, if anything that probably inadvertently improves literacy because even the most un-intellectual types want to learn how to communicate with the phones).
That Russian ad, if done for the American military, would only appeal to a small fraction of those who could join, i.e. the ones attracted to the combat arms. And I think such ads are good, but there's also the attracting to and demonstrating the tremendous importance of all the other areas of the military that support the combat arms, especially nowadays with all the tech involved. Physical fitness and mental toughness are still important, and especially in the combat arms, but I mean if you've got a group of guys and gals who struggle to pass the basic physical fitness test but yet could wreak utter havoc on the enemy's communications and weapons systems in electronic warfare, they are a huge asset. Not saying wokeness isn't a problem, way too much of this generation are a bunch of babies who get offended over the slightest little thing.
That Russian ad, if done for the American military, would only appeal to a small fraction of those who could join, i.e. the ones attracted to the combat arms. And I think such ads are good, but there's also the attracting to and demonstrating the tremendous importance of all the other areas of the military that support the combat arms, especially nowadays with all the tech involved. Physical fitness and mental toughness are still important, and especially in the combat arms, but I mean if you've got a group of guys and gals who struggle to pass the basic physical fitness test but yet could wreak utter havoc on the enemy's communications and weapons systems in electronic warfare, they are a huge asset. Not saying wokeness isn't a problem, way too much of this generation are a bunch of babies who get offended over the slightest little thing.
Random8145
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Remember this?
I am yet to hear anyone the right-wing media with any credibility talk about the "wokeness" problem. I'm not suggesting that you take your marching orders from him, but I could give zero shits what Ben Shapiro thinks is wrong with the military. The only wars the right-wing media knows anything about are the culture wars, which they stoke on a daily basis.
Are you calling me fat?
Random8145
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Actually I don't watch, read, or listen to much of anything Ben Shapiro says. I do think he is very intelligent and right on a lot of things, but he just isn't one I pay much attention to. Regarding credibility, I agree with you but many among the right-wing base listen to what said non-credible people say, so their opinions are still important.
Okay dude- you go ahead and think that our military wouldn't ROFL Stomp our enemies because of our "wokeness".
"Wokeness" once meant letting anyone other than white males participate. We were dumb then. We're smarter now.
If you can do the job, I give zero fucks about your personal life. When the flag goes up, when the cards are down, I only care that you've got my back and I've got yours, and we're going to give everything we have to ensure the commander's intent is met.
Anyone who says, " I would have joined the military but they're too woke for me" is a coward who never would have joined in the first place.
Random8145
Registered User
I don't think you read my post because I was saying that the criticisms of our military's "wokeness" are way oversimplified. I also would say your understanding of "wokeness" is wrong, because "wokeness" isn't about being open-minded towards different peoples, the criticism is that it's about adhering to a very rigid, specific way of thinking and anyone who dares deviate is declared a thought criminal and to be banished from society, or restricted at least (for example Twitter suspending the accounts of those who "mis-gender" people). But that is probably a different discussion altogether. For example, a "woke" position is that men who declare themselves to be "women" therefore should be able to play on women's sports teams. Thought criminals are those who say this is wrong and should not be allowed. The woke movement even has a term for the feminists who are against this: "TERF" (Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist). The criticism is this kind of nuttiness is infiltrating into the military.
For example, the then Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus decided to do away with terms with the word "man" in them, such as corpsman. He also rejected a study by the Marine Corps that showed that all-male infantry units move faster and shoot with more accuracy than ones with women included: LINK His criticism is that the Marines started from a biased start point, but then again, it is also kinda hard to see how the study could be all that wrong. Even the Israelis do not send integrated infantry units (i.e. with women I mean) into the hardcore combat areas, they send the all-male ones and have their integrated one handle more peaceful duties. Also, there is a HUGE difference between saying non-whites, gays, etc...shouldn't be able to serve versus taking it to the point of nuttiness and denying biological reality, and that is where the criticism comes from.
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Compared to what generation?
Random8145
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At least the last few where there wasn't a cancel culture like now.
The2ndworst
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There are plenty of examples that show people have always been “canceled” for offending mainstream view points. I think the only thing that has changed are the main stream view points. Sinead O’ Connor and The Dixie Chicks are two that I can think of from my lifetime that were canceled by the older generation.
This reminds me, my grandfather, a WWI veteran once told me that back in 1941, just after Pearl Harbor, he was convinced the “kids theses days” (including his sons) would not be able to beat the Germans or the Japanese. He thought they were weak, lazy, and too attached to things like music! Now we call those “kids” the Greatest Generation.
I read your post.
What do you know about "hardcore combat"?
America is not Israel.
That tabloid article isn't really valid and wouldn't pass a high school new article research requirement . It's "reporting" from the Marine Corps Times at a time when old generals didn't want any change or progress made in their good ole boy gun club. News flash- these are the same retired generals who are against the USMC changing their structure to fit future needs, and are actively campaigning against it. But it confirms your bias. So there's that.
I think you probably a lot of time on news sites and then post your findings on internet forums for those people you read about in hopes of confirming your biases.