No, but I don't have to use my "leave" if I take vacations over weekends and holidays either. I can take a 10 day vacation over two weekends (one being a 3 day) and only burn 5 days of vacation time.
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Worst parts of Naval Aviation
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Trying to imagine the groans and moans were this to be a part of today's "compulsory training".
I did note one instance of unreported "unwelcome physical contact" early-on on the part of Miss Dimple. I'm shocked…shocked to find out…"
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
This to anyone looking to break the $40k-50k/year blue-collar union worker barrier or entry-level cubicle warrior.
This was one of the 'what they don't tell you...' things when joining the military. I understand why it is the way it is, but it's frustrating having to burn 10 days of leave to get off from Fri afternoon to the following Mon where civilians would use 5 days of vacation. 'Then there are a lot of times where you can't even use leave. It kind of takes the whole 'whoa 30 days vacation a year that's a lot!' perk in perspective. You want a weekend off where no one is going to call you? Want to travel farther than a few hours from your PDS? Use 2-3 days of leave.
What's even more frustrating is having to burn leave during PCS moves partly because you need the time to get organized and partly because you've saved up so many days that this is your only time to use it. Your life is generally in too much disarray to use that time for a legitimate vacation outside of sight-seeing in a x-country drive. Instead, you use it to clean and reorganize your new home/apt, set up cable, harass the landlord about fixing the broken appliances, etc.
On the upside, we were lucky enough to be inport during the holidays where everyone goes on stand-down, which means you get to take a week of leave around Christmas or New Year's. When I was a civilian I always worked on Christmas, albeit for double-time and a half.
What are those?
We need a "that comment is sure to being a whole bunch of bad karma onto yourself" button!
When talking about personal leave (not federal holiday leave), we really need to do a comparison of leave starting points and leave growth. Join the military and you start earning paid leave at a rate of 30 days per year and it remains flat. Corporate (blue and white collar) is different. Some companies provide few if any personal paid leave at first. Some start at 5-10 days and it takes 5-10 years to build up to 20 days per year which is roughly equivalent to the 30 seen on active duty. Someone entering in at the executive level can usually negotiate a higher personal leave starting point.
Now add Federal holidays to the discussion. For military it really depends on what the command's mission is and your job. Yes I missed a good number of federal holidays at certain periods of time. Some companies don't provide paid days for Federal holidays. Some companies do and some companies it's just another work day.
Sick leave. Never heard of anyone having to take personal leave in the military when they were sick. You were sent home SIQ which is absolutely the right thing to do. Corporate. Some companies have sick leave ,some do not, some provide you a higher initial leave starting point.
Now add Federal holidays to the discussion. For military it really depends on what the command's mission is and your job. Yes I missed a good number of federal holidays at certain periods of time. Some companies don't provide paid days for Federal holidays. Some companies do and some companies it's just another work day.
Sick leave. Never heard of anyone having to take personal leave in the military when they were sick. You were sent home SIQ which is absolutely the right thing to do. Corporate. Some companies have sick leave ,some do not, some provide you a higher initial leave starting point.
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
In corporate, if you wake up with a 102 deg fever or were up all night puking your brains out, you call in and use a sick day and get back in bed. It may or may not be a paid day (usually paid if full-time, not if part time/retail). In the military, you drag your butt to medical at 0600 to sit there for 1-3 hours until a HM3 signs off on you being SIQ and hands you a container of 800mg Ibuprofen (or on sea duty you just go to work until your DH/XO feels bad enough to send you home).
Every job in life has good and bad. Two years ago, I was on a cross country with a student in the T-45C Goshawk and we stopped for fuel at an FBO. It was Friday and very busy this day, lots of civilian aircraft and crew lounging, sitting around. There were probably 15 civilian pilots wearing their black pants, white shirt, epaulets, etc. So it was time to walk and as we suited up, a civilian jet...Gulfstream I think, landed and a family exited the aircraft, walked inside. By this time, we had our gear on and as the family had walked in, there was a very, very attractive girl who looked in her early 20's...maybe the daughter. Anyway, she is eyeballing the student like you read about, I saw here give him the "look", a hard long stare actually.
So as we walked out to the clown jet, I asked the student if he noticed the girl staring at him. He said he did, he was surprised as she was way hot. I told him it's easy to understand. You see I told him, she was looking at you because you had the flight gear on, you were the military pilot, you looked the part of a jet pilot while all the civilian pilots wore cheesy uniforms. Because of that, she was looking at you, wanted you because you had a COCK and they all had pee-pee's
Being a Naval Aviator, regardless of what you fly, the good outweighs the bad. Next question?
So as we walked out to the clown jet, I asked the student if he noticed the girl staring at him. He said he did, he was surprised as she was way hot. I told him it's easy to understand. You see I told him, she was looking at you because you had the flight gear on, you were the military pilot, you looked the part of a jet pilot while all the civilian pilots wore cheesy uniforms. Because of that, she was looking at you, wanted you because you had a COCK and they all had pee-pee's
Being a Naval Aviator, regardless of what you fly, the good outweighs the bad. Next question?
Yeah, not so much in aviation squadrons. If I was sick I called in and followed up with the doc later, as long as it wasn't abused this was the standard in all my squadrons.
As for the OP, this has been posted numerous times here on AW but I figure it it wouldn't hurt to do it again for this thread:
Every job in life has good and bad. Two years ago, I was on a cross country with a student in the T-45C Goshawk and we stopped for fuel at an FBO. It was Friday and very busy this day, lots of civilian aircraft and crew lounging, sitting around. There were probably 15 civilian pilots wearing their black pants, white shirt, epaulets, etc. So it was time to walk and as we suited up, a civilian jet...Gulfstream I think, landed and a family exited the aircraft, walked inside. By this time, we had our gear on and as the family had walked in, there was a very, very attractive girl who looked in her early 20's...maybe the daughter. Anyway, she is eyeballing the student like you read about, I saw here give him the "look", a hard long stare actually.
So as we walked out to the clown jet, I asked the student if he noticed the girl staring at him. He said he did, he was surprised as she was way hot. I told him it's easy to understand. You see I told him, she was looking at you because you had the flight gear on, you were the military pilot, you looked the part of a jet pilot while all the civilian pilots wore cheesy uniforms. Because of that, she was looking at you, wanted you because you had a COCK and they all had pee-pee's
Being a Naval Aviator, regardless of what you fly, the good outweighs the bad. Next question?
Hot chick coming out of a Gulfstream eyeballing him? I hope he got her number.
Prolly not, because he was standing in the mighty shadow of Bunk!
As someone who is still 'young' in Naval Aviation:
-Good: Working with people who are some of the best on the planet.
-Bad: Working with people who have a terrible attitude and should probably be doing something else (from E-1s to O-whatever).
-Good: Flying a/c that are 10x more badass and powerful than your civilian counterparts will ever touch.
-Bad: Getting your ass kicked in said a/c day after day because you do 10x more of "that pilot shit" than your civilian counterparts ever will.
-Good: Getting your ass kicked in the a/c and becoming a better pilot.
-Bad: Getting your ass kicked is never fun.
-Good: Being a part of something that most people consider awesome in every sense of the word.
-Bad: Trying to explain to said people (who can't go a day without internet or air conditioning) what it's like.
-Good: Knowing you've undergone some of the best training to get those wings in the world and are still learning how to kill bad guys day in and day out.
-Bad: That training can be incredibly painful and eye-opening at times.
-Good: Working with people who are some of the best on the planet.
-Bad: Working with people who have a terrible attitude and should probably be doing something else (from E-1s to O-whatever).
-Good: Flying a/c that are 10x more badass and powerful than your civilian counterparts will ever touch.
-Bad: Getting your ass kicked in said a/c day after day because you do 10x more of "that pilot shit" than your civilian counterparts ever will.
-Good: Getting your ass kicked in the a/c and becoming a better pilot.
-Bad: Getting your ass kicked is never fun.
-Good: Being a part of something that most people consider awesome in every sense of the word.
-Bad: Trying to explain to said people (who can't go a day without internet or air conditioning) what it's like.
-Good: Knowing you've undergone some of the best training to get those wings in the world and are still learning how to kill bad guys day in and day out.
-Bad: That training can be incredibly painful and eye-opening at times.
-Good: Girls at bars LOVE a Naval Aviator.
-Bad: Choosing can be difficult at times.
Naval Aviation can be painful at times. Dont ever let anyone tell you it's all roses and sunshine. It's not. BUT there will days when you get paid to fly a multi-million $ a/c and make it do things that most people don't even realize are possible.
^^^ This. Worse if it's your roommate. Guess who gets to inventory/pack-up the "Personal Effects"?
Luckily, I haven't had to deal with that. Hopefully never will.