VP and their misunderstanding of the word "preflight"

[A4sForever]

... Nice to see that there are a bunch of bright idea fairies ...

Counterpoint & bright idea from a fairy:

Heineman's Hot-Rod takes 5 minutes to preflight ... :icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol::icon_lol: ... or mebbe 10 if you're a dunce ... :skull_125

 

[samguitar]

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[MIDNJAC]

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Loud and clear, how me?

 

[KBayDog]

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So, samguitar in Milton, FL, who took 4.5 years to make your first post...what's on your mind?

 

[jollygreen07]

Concur, and what I stated in my post, we have our preflight, it is what it is. You just have a bunch of ppl that like to stir the pot, some in good humor and others in plain ignorance on how VP operates. Nice to see that there are a bunch of bright idea fairies in TACAIR/HELO and "cough" TACAMO, you FINE GENTS keep plugging.

Fixed it.

 

[BusyBee604]

Welcome Back!

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Rip Van Samguitar, has the world changed a lot since you became an AW member? Bet your head exploded when you saw today's gasoline prices! :bigeyes2_
BzB irate_12

 

[pourts]

It got to the point going through the RAG where the CAT 1's would pretty much have to learn the nomenclature of the H-3 and be able to translate it to H-60 so we could understand what the question was.... For example, the H-60 Power Control Levers were called Speed Selectors in the Sea Pig and thus had to understand when the IP asked a question about Speed Selectors, he really meant the PCL's (since IP's are never, ever wrong!)

I like how everybody calls the same thing by a different name. In the T-45s we had MFDs, that looked pretty similar to the things we have in the Hornet, but are called DDIs or MPCDs or the dreaded "fishbowl" (which always blows the Rhino guys minds). How about an industry standard term? Also DEP or UFC... I know the planes were built by different companies, but how about if we call the same thing by the same name?

And don't get me started on VCRs. I don't care what McDonnel Douglas or now Boeing's name is for it. If it records audio and video onto a cassette tape, then it is called a VCR. It doesn't get a new name just because it is in a fighter jet. VTR...TEMAC... whatever. Its a VCR.

 

[Pags]

For example, the H-60 Power Control Levers were called Speed Selectors in the Sea Pig and thus had to understand when the IP asked a question about Speed Selectors, he really meant the PCL's (since IP's are never, ever wrong!)

Got in a lively debate with a buddy of mine on this nomenclature the other day when flying the 53 sim for an Instrument Check. The Shitter has speeds as well and we were debating as to whether the name was changed "for a fitrep bullet" or did they do two different things, hence the different name? I don't think we ever settled it, but my contention was that because the 60 has a DECU, the PCLs actually change the power available from the engine while the speeds directly change the speed of the motor (Nf in the 53). It went on for awhile and went round and round.

 

[Gatordev]

I like how everybody calls the same thing by a different name. In the T-45s we had MFDs, that looked pretty similar to the things we have in the Hornet, but are called DDIs or MPCDs or the dreaded "fishbowl" (which always blows the Rhino guys minds). How about an industry standard term? Also DEP or UFC... I know the planes were built by different companies, but how about if we call the same thing by the same name?

And don't get me started on VCRs. I don't care what McDonnel Douglas or now Boeing's name is for it. If it records audio and video onto a cassette tape, then it is called a VCR. It doesn't get a new name just because it is in a fighter jet. VTR...TEMAC... whatever. Its a VCR.

To be fair, "VTR" was actually the original name for such devices when they originated in the production world, long before the consumer got his hands on it. The video recording device any of us have in our aircraft is a much more robust piece of gear than a standard VCR. More along the lines of an industrial grade device (or if your plane is really gucci, broadcast grade). But yeah, same concept.

But I'm with you on your overall point. And by the way, it's "MPD."

 

[BACONATOR]

To be fair, "VTR" was actually the original name for such devices when they originated in the production world, long before the consumer got his hands on it. The video recording device any of us have in our aircraft is a much more robust piece of gear than a standard VCR. More along the lines of an industrial grade device (or if your plane is really gucci, broadcast grade). But yeah, same concept.

But I'm with you on your overall point. And by the way, it's "MPD."

I've heard of MFD, but what's MPD?

 

[Morgan81]

Multi Purpose Display I'm assuming.

 

[Gatordev]

Correct. Even Sikorsky can't keep it straight w/in the same type/model.

 

[usmarinemike]

To be fair, "VTR" was actually the original name for such devices when they originated in the production world, long before the consumer got his hands on it. The video recording device any of us have in our aircraft is a much more robust piece of gear than a standard VCR. More along the lines of an industrial grade device (or if your plane is really gucci, broadcast grade). But yeah, same concept.

But I'm with you on your overall point. And by the way, it's "MPD."

You need to see the Marconi VTR in the Goshawk. Yeah, I'm convinced that it's been around a lot longer than a consumer VCR (like Marconi himself had one), but broadcast grade it is not.

The day is coming when companies stop making 8mm tape. Are there fleet aircraft that still use tapes? I've heard that a lot of aircraft have moved over to solid state memory in place of tapes.

 

[BACONATOR]

Correct. Even Sikorsky can't keep it straight w/in the same type/model.

I love how instead of starting big picture A/C systems and working down into more detail, and starting with basic checklists and how to do all the admin stuff (start, taxi, takeoff) in the RAG, we started out with all the computers/avionics.... the most complicated crap ever with endless acronyms.

I just came from a 57, and I'm reading all this crap, and after it's mentioned ONCE it is strictly an acronym. So I'm sitting there reading about the MD/FD, MFRs, FMCs, AMC, CSCs, CSCG, AMC, AOP, AST, ADT, ADC, EGI's (with alignments: HNAV, IF, GC, SH and DG), DALS/DFG, AFCS/AFCC, ETC ETC and needless to say, I don't have a fucking clue.

 

[pourts]

and needless to say, I don't have a fucking clue.

True that.