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Venezuela

Brett327 said:
Not really... depends on the stakes and how the action has been framed. The stakes for this operation were significantly higher than, say, a convoy escort mission during OIF. If the convoy gets blown up by an IED, people will shrug because it's a common occurrence that bears no real impact to the outcome of the war. It won't make the news. In contrast, if an American aircraft had gone down in Venezuela, it would have determined the outcome of the operation, and been a huge deal with political consequences and significant public interest.
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Fair enough…but to the individuals in that OIF convoy the stakes were equal to those of the Venezuela op.
 
Griz882 said:
Fair enough…but to the individuals in that OIF convoy the stakes were equal to those of the Venezuela op.
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Sure, but we're not making policy based on individual stakes. If we did that, no country would ever go to war. Individual stakes only carry real significance if they are directly tied to national level outcomes.
 
taxi1 said:
We flew with impunity over Mogadishu until a magic bullet brought down a helicopter and turned what had been become regular ops into a shit show that change the course of our interaction in Somalia. This could’ve been more like that I think.
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So events not unique to the Venezuela operation, right?
 
taxi1 said:
We flew with impunity over Mogadishu until a magic bullet brought down a helicopter and turned what had been become regular ops into a shit show that change the course of our interaction in Somalia. This could’ve been more like that I think.
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Probably with a little less bodies being dragged through the streets and a little more Hanoi Hilton televised interviews. Plus a diplomatic shitshow that would’ve ensued. Not sure POTUS or his advisors would’ve kept the fingers off the trigger with an embarrassment of that nature and subsequently doubled down.
 
Despite a few helicopters getting roughed up, the raid displays some excellent planning. Military experts are stunned at how easily the CHICAP supplied air defense system was carved up to a point that even Taiwanese commentators are piling on. There was nothing easy about this operation, but it is a wonderful example of exceptional staff work and operational execution.

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China’s Anti-Stealth JY-27 Radar Flops In Venezuela? Did F-22, F-35 "Hunter" Got Hunted By USAF, Experts Decode

The unprecedented capture of Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro by the US military has stirred several conversations among military strategists, observers, and defense enthusiasts. Interestingly, this includes the “ineffectiveness” of the radars that Caracas acquired from China. On January 3...
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robav8r said:
So events not unique to the Venezuela operation, right?
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I’m celebrating the execution, but I’d say it was a cross between the worst of Bin Laden and Mogadishu risk-wise. Flying into a sovereign country that was kind of expecting it, and primed to shoot you down.

And the payoff, arresting a country’s leader for drug charges when you just pardoned another country’s former leader of drug charges.
 
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taxi1 said:
I’m celebrating the execution, but I’d say it was a cross between the worst of Bin Laden and Mogadishu risk-wise. Flying into a sovereign country that was kind of expecting it, and primed to shoot you down.

And the payoff, arresting a country’s leader for drug charges when you just pardoned another country’s former leader of drug charges.
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Both Gothic Serpent, and Neptune Spear occurred during era’s of mission planning concepts of understanding that directly contributed to the failures that occurred in those missions. Tactics and procedures evolve… especially in that community.

And for a mission set where the point is to take the targets out alive, whether hostage rescue or capture, it’s an understood you are putting the crews and the assault force at its greatest risk within the terminal area. You can’t sanitize the LZ of all those variable threats they don’t show up in the big collection plan, and you can’t just suppress everything from RP inbound because the point is discriminate targeting an 134 or 240 just doesn’t do.

Those crews knew exactly what was being asked, and if it had in fact been critical damage or injury preventing the aircraft from coming off target it wouldn’t be the first time in recent memory that contingency has had to be executed on what is an otherwise successful raid.
 
Lawman said:
Both Gothic Serpent, and Neptune Spear occurred during era’s of mission planning concepts of understanding that directly contributed to the failures that occurred in those missions. Tactics and procedures evolve… especially in that community.

And for a mission set where the point is to take the targets out alive, whether hostage rescue or capture, it’s an understood you are putting the crews and the assault force at its greatest risk within the terminal area. You can’t sanitize the LZ of all those variable threats they don’t show up in the big collection plan, and you can’t just suppress everything from RP inbound because the point is discriminate targeting an 134 or 240 just doesn’t do.

Those crews knew exactly what was being asked, and if it had in fact been critical damage or injury preventing the aircraft from coming off target it wouldn’t be the first time in recent memory that contingency has had to be executed on what is an otherwise successful raid.
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The stories coming about the use of a "Sonic Weapon" are certainly interesting . . . .
 
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