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USAA Homeowners Insurance Stupidity

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CAMike

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought when I first got USAA 10+ years ago, I had to prove I was either 1-An Officer, 2-MIDN/ROTC/OCS Contracted BDCPer, or I think 3 was E-7 or above.

I know it's way more people than that now.. And I remember being told the reason the rates were so low (when I first joined) is "You are not underwriting the 18 year old E-2 with a new Ninja or Mustang GT"..

Not to sound elitist, but Officers are on average a lot more "Responsible" in their personal life, and I thought the rates reflected this back then.

Why did USAA go this route?


Another factor played into this USAA change. +- 10 years ago there was a senate sub committee (driven by the libs) that was investigating unfair practices in the insurance industry. You know, specific rates for specific zip codes. So the committee ends up learning about this elitist/discriminatory insurance company called USAA that didn't offer coverage to everyone. (GASP! How could that be?) The committee threatened a lawsuit against USAA to force them to offer policies to every American. An nice early peek at the modern US socialist agenda if you will. USAA says no way to the committee and after months of negotiations USAA meets them somewhere in the middle and agrees to offer insurance to enlisted folks as well.

This was simply a Democrat political positioning and bragging rights topic that ended up only hurting officers who worked for the same US Government. There may have been other interests pushing the interest in the topic along but as I recall- it's factually correct.

The good news is that November 2010 will be here in just a couple of months and we can make some small changes to our elected representatives.
 

vick

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The motorcycle insurance thing is odd. They currently cover my bike (policy written about 2 years ago) and have quoted me on another bike I was look at a few months ago. One time they forwarded me to Progressive, but once I figured out who I was talking to I was transferred back to USAA. Odd that they will offer coverage to some but push others to Progressive.
 

7562Driver

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I bought a new bike after returning from my last deployment 5 months ago and USAA gave me a policy. It may be that because I had a previous policy from before deployment that began aproximately 2005, they were willing to cover me again. The odd thing is that I totalled the first bike and that would have been a perfect excuse not to cover me again.
 

Pugs

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They will do it, but there is a problem. The house is over 50 years old. They want me to pay for a "Five Point Inspection" ($500-1000) before they will even give me a quote.

Not unusual at all. I went and got quotes from three different insurers when we bought the house we have now, built in 1924, and all required a more in-depth inspection.

It ended up costing me $800 and was much more thorough than the inspections I had gone through with previous homes. I went with him and it took four hours (on an 1900 square foot house) He found a couple things I wouldn't have noticed and I learned a bunch. The previoius owners had to spend about $1K fixing a couple things and the cost of the inspection is a purchase cost write-off.
 

The Chief

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Another factor played into this USAA change. +- 10 years ....

Interesting. Have often heard that USAA was established to insure Military Officers because ""private"" insurance companies would discriminate against military folk, most often refusing them insurance. Strange world we live in, indeed.
 

Flash

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I, like Otto and Boomhower, have almost always had good service with all of my USAA services and the few times it hasn't been great they were minor issues. I have only known one guy who has had serious issues with USAA and that was before they expanded eligibility, don't know why his experienc was bad but everyone else I know still loves them. As further confirmation for myself I subscribe to a consumer rating agency in DC and USAA always ranks at the very top, well above everyone else with only Amica coming very close to matching them.

Another factor played into this USAA change. +- 10 years ago there was a senate sub committee (driven by the libs) that was investigating unfair practices in the insurance industry. You know, specific rates for specific zip codes. So the committee ends up learning about this elitist/discriminatory insurance company called USAA that didn't offer coverage to everyone. (GASP! How could that be?) The committee threatened a lawsuit against USAA to force them to offer policies to every American. An nice early peek at the modern US socialist agenda if you will. USAA says no way to the committee and after months of negotiations USAA meets them somewhere in the middle and agrees to offer insurance to enlisted folks as well.

This was simply a Democrat political positioning and bragging rights topic that ended up only hurting officers who worked for the same US Government. There may have been other interests pushing the interest in the topic along but as I recall- it's factually correct.

Do you have anything other than your recall to back that up? Part of the reason I am doubtful of that is USAA had gradually been expanding membership for some time, the expansion to immediate family members and dependents was a big one quite a few years before expanding it to enlisted. Even some federal law enforcement agents and Foreign Service Officers were eligible at one time, not sure if they still are. I never saw anything from USAA or in the news suggesting that +/- 10 years ago they expanded their membership under pressure from the government. Possible? Sure, but I think profit was likely the primary motive since it is was drives business, even a unique one like USAA. And USAA has certainly not been shy about their recent opposition to the expansion of the Volcker Amendment expansion.
 

rondebmar

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Been with USAA since a NavCad in 1961...should get my "50 Year Member" decal any day now. Needless to say, very pleased with them...four boat policies, many vehicle, homeowners, and renters policies consecutively ever since...plus the occasional liability umbrella, one whole life on my son, etc.

Two claims..one boat outdrive theft ~1979, then one car flooded (totaled) more recently by hurricane Wilma ~five years ago...both claims settled fairly and rapidly.

Just remembered, hurricane Andrew totally destroyed home and all contents, and vehicle, of my inlaws...same claim result...fair and rapid!!

At least two of my three grown kids with them to this day, as well...
 

A4sForever

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I've been w/ USAA since the '60s ... two or three minor glitches, each one easily solved w/ a phone call or two. Overall, it's not 'as good' as it was 25-30 years ago when they got 'greedy' and expanded the membership base from a military officers' ONLY insurance company ... but that's another story and ancient history.

Policy service?? Rates?? Claims?? No problems ... I've had all my insurance (except for the airline stuff - life & health) w/ USAA for a LONG time and I have nothing but good things to say about them.
 

Boomhower

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...USAA had gradually been expanding membership for some time, the expansion to immediate family members and dependents was a big one quite a few years before expanding it to enlisted. Even some federal law enforcement agents and Foreign Service Officers were eligible at one time, not sure if they still are.

I originally was a member because my Dad was a former FBI agent. I think they allowed eligibilty for them in the 80's IIRC.

I would think that the idea to allow enlisted to be members would be a business decision. They opened themselves up to a HUGE market of people that can be forced to pay their bills by their employer, if needed. Also, as screwed up as some of the 18 year old Seamen/Airman/Privates out there are, they are better than the average 18 year old civilian kid. I would think it's just them playing the odds.

However, I say this from a hypothetical standpoint. CAMike could post a link completely destroying my theory.
 
The most recent decision to open to everyone who ever served (in good standing + their families) increased the pool of potential customers from 21 million to well over 60 million people.

USAA gets thousands of calls every year from people asking about their eligibility status; the old rules were unnecessarily complicated, so this streamlines everything. It was a decision years in the making from a company that's extremely conservative in its business planning, so things couldn't have worked out better with the expansion. Even without the new members, 2009 was the company's most profitable year ever because they struck while the iron was hot... it sounds so evil, but money = stability. People cashed out of the market and retreated to a company they trust, and I'm not talking a few million-- this is billions of dollars within retirement/brokerage/cash accounts that people moved from just about every other big financial institution. I worked for USAA for three years, as both a front-line employee and in management, before joining the Navy. My old department completely obliterated every one of its targets before the end of the first quarter last year.

They can't possibly please everybody in every situation... We’re dealing with insurance, where somebody has to lose for everything to work. It wasn't fair when enlisted couldn't join. Then it wasn't fair when separated/retired military couldn't join because they didn't establish membership before getting out of the service. Now it's not fair because rates are going up and they might not kiss your ass every time you call (as an aside: if you’re calling for anything less than a mortgage app, new insurance/claims, or to complain, you’re doing something wrong. 98% of the business can be completed online or via the mobile site. I've never spoken to USAA over the phone as a customer.).

Policy rates would be going up whether they expanded or not... the average E-1 is generally more responsible than most turd college students who are still on mommy and daddy's payroll because they're directly affected by their actions. You can't really blame some possessions-less kids when other people are building $3mm beach-front homes and driving $80k cars in the center of hurricane alley. Insurance is shared risk, but it's also heavily dependent on individual situations: personal insurance history, location, value of item being insured. The average cost of homeowners/auto insurance really hasn't even kept pace with inflation... $3-5 for a gallon of gas/milk and $9000/semester for a state university?

If you’re looking for bargain basement, go somewhere else. They consistently win customer service awards, so either they’re doing something right or not enough people are complaining. They’re competitively priced, they pay claims, they give back to members and the respective communities, and they truly have our best interests in mind.
 

MasterBates

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Ok. So Mr USAA defender.. Explain why I got "punished" for being smart, and waiting to get long term orders before buying a house in VA.

USAA is still good, but since they let the Junior Enlisted in, it's gotten worse. See: motorcycles.

Bottom line should not be the only consideration. Which is what I think USAA has lost their way with.

I'll probably end up doing my flood/homeowners with them.. But they went from "I won't even bother calling anywhere else" to "fuck, now they are just one more company I have to watch like a hawk to keep them from fucking me".

Just my $0.02.
 
Ok. So Mr USAA defender.. Explain why I got "punished" for being smart, and waiting to get long term orders before buying a house in VA.

I don't see where it matters that you have long-term orders. You were told that they won't write a policy if you moved to the area more than a year ago, but you blah-blah'd over the explanation for why they're not writing policies on beach property in VA. Why would they make an exception for one person if nobody else can get a policy?

I don't know why they made that decision, but there's a reason, and it probably makes some sense. You're probably getting punished to cover the costs associated with other homeowners who did something stupid... quite possibly, even, well-established active duty personnel who (thought they) could afford beach homes in VA... probably not a Seaman Apprentice. The clowns who went into foreclosure cost an insurance company and a mortgage company a lot of time and money, and gave them more incentive to increase costs for everyone else.
 

phrogpilot73

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I don't see where it matters that you have long-term orders.
Get a couple more PCS's under your belt, and then you'll see where it matters. Is it sound financial planning to purchase a home if you're not going to own it for over 5 years? Nope. Even USAA will tell you that.
 
Get a couple more PCS's under your belt, and then you'll see where it matters. Is it sound financial planning to purchase a home if you're not going to own it for over 5 years? Nope. Even USAA will tell you that.
I'm not trying to be smug/pompous, but I'm a CFP and worked with high net worth USAA members. I understand the financial implications involved in moving too soon after buying a home. Nothing in MB's complaint would lead you to believe he was denied a h/o policy because he planned to move anytime soon. He said that they wouldn't issue a policy because he has lived in the area for more than a year.
 

MasterBates

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It was not a beach property issue. A condo on the 3# rd floor would have been the same. And Phrog is right.

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