MasterBates
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Not now.. Solar powered LEDs that flash.
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TOPGUN and WTI: similarities / differences
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It does if it wants to be in the green navy!
The flashing stop signs are obnoxious, but pale in comparison to the hundreds of parking lot lights at Miramar, each one with its own solar panel. How many decades will it take to recoup that "investment"?
No functioning plumbing? No TP for your bunghole? No printing/copying capability? No problem! Miramar has solar-powered parking lot lights (as well as a multi-million dollar rifle range smack-dab in the 24R approach corridor), so it's all good.
Marines don't steal solar panels.
Now, if someone had left some bicycles laying around the parking lots...
I wonder how much energy was used to manufacture the components that allow for this unnecessary and previously unused lighting effect...seems to defeat the green purpose.
FlyingOnFumes
Nobel WAR Prize Aspirant
Do Air Force guys go to TOPGUN / WTI and do Navy / Marine Corps boys and girls go to Air Force Fighter Weapons School at Nellis?
You mean the "capability" to lose to an F-16 carrying 2 drop tanks?
The F-35 was flying “clean,” with no weapons in its bomb bay or under its wings and fuselage. The F-16, by contrast, was hauling two bulky underwing drop tanks, putting the older jet at an aerodynamic disadvantage. https://medium.com/war-is-boring/test-pilot-admits-the-f-35-can-t-dogfight-cdb9d11a875
I am sure there is a lot more to it than the article above and the jet jocks here can explain it, but the article certainly caught my attention.
I think it's pretty obvious that the F-35, as a prototype undergoing operational testing, was limited by performance restrictions and would ultimately be capable of defeating a 30 year old platform.
But if that crumples all the tinfoil hats out there, then yes...believe what you will.
Yes, there is a lot more to it but Medium.com and David Axe won the day and got a lot of money with that click bait. I thought this guy gave an excellent perspective about the 'fight'.
Thanks for the link. Helos I know, when talking fighters I ask.
Several questions:
1) Why would the F-16 carry drop tanks for the test?
2) Is the compromise of the F-35 design around a lift fan in the fuselage a major problem? (I understand the only the USMC version has the actual fan.)
3) Any thoughts on the F-15 Silent Eagle that Boeing has been trying to sell? Seems like an intriguing concept.
As far as the drop tanks, I'll speak to what I know. The Viper was a two seater, which should be comparable to the F-18D logistically. Add another seat in the back and I lose ~1k pounds of gas. Give me a centerline and I get ~2k in gas back, double external tanks gives me ~4k in gas. Ultimately that equates to about an extra 20 minutes of gas in full blower, which is where you spend most of your time in a BFM engagement.
In other words, a typical BFM flight in a -D lasts about a .9 with 12k pounds of gas, including 15 minutes transit time. An extra 2k pounds would give me at least one more BFM setup, maaybe two depending on how things are going. Stretching a .9 to a 1.2 means more data points for the debrief.
Gas is precious.
In other words, a typical BFM flight in a -D lasts about a .9 with 12k pounds of gas, including 15 minutes transit time. An extra 2k pounds would give me at least one more BFM setup, maaybe two depending on how things are going. Stretching a .9 to a 1.2 means more data points for the debrief.
Gas is precious.
In short, yes, but not often. There have been both USAF as well as USN double patches (USN SFTI and USAF WIC), but in a pretty serious minority. More common is the USMC WTI and TOPGUN patch. Marines typically go through the course during their first JO tour, towards the middle/end (vs USN types who go through post JO tour). WTI is normally a shore tour or even later gig. So they have the timing to make that happen in many instances. About the only double patches on the Navy side are VX-9 folks who first go through TOPGUN SFTI/blue training before they show up, and then less commonly, also go to TPS later on. Since on the Navy side, a blue patch requires both an SFTI shore tour, as well as a Training officer tour (in place of disassociated), you are right into DH tour when your patch related obligation is up. So the folks who do other schools are typically due to uncommon circumstances.