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People are fighting for P-3 slots right now. Very few are handed out per class--2 or 3 typically. And lifestyle, or some variation, tends to be the reason people want them. That or lack of desire to pull Gs/get airsick.
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Things my IP told me that may or may not be true...
- Thread starter hobbstc
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People are fighting for P-3 slots right now. Very few are handed out per class--2 or 3 typically. And lifestyle, or some variation, tends to be the reason people want them. That or lack of desire to pull Gs/get airsick.
I agree. I know it may seem inconceivable to many, but I have seen this scenario play out multiple times as both a student (myself) and onwing/primary IP. Some guys just don't want jets.
Also, when I was in the Deuce, we had a Navy Hornet guy and several Marine jet guys as IPs. All of them were awesome. I don't think a single IP would have fed anyone the line "all jet guys are douches".
I am sensing a little reverse hate from the jet guy mafia to the primary VT mafia. Be cool, bitches, we are all on the same team.
When you and I were at Whiting as IPs, I think it was a little different than when RLSO (and myself...I was a little ahead of him at -6) was there. I don't doubt he heard that when he was as stud, I'm just curious if he remembers who it was.
But I stand by my statement that I was never given the business, or if I was, I don't really remember it.
Although I was told by a Reserve former P-3 IP that I wouldn't get jet grades based off my landings....on one event...on a bumpy/windy day...but hey, that was his call, mistaken as he may have been.
Funny enough, I don't remember names, but I do distinctly remember the flights. I'll take a peek in the logbook tomorrow and send a PM.
No reverse hate. Same team. Just seemed like the experience fit the theme of the thread.
I got it a few times in SNFO primary, the T-34 instructors were predominately VP, helo and USAF 'heavy' guys with only a handful of jet types and most of those were left over from the E-2/C-2 days of VT-4. With only 1/3 of SNFOs going on to 'Nav' school for VP/VQ though it was more competitive to get those slots at the time. I also got the same from a few buddies who were graduating pilot primary in the middle of the T-2 down time due to control issues and they were only taking about half the jet guys they usually did for a few months.
No hate, just a little reality. Don't get so defensive!
That's a shame. I really never saw it and if someone had the ability and desire, I always pushed them in that direction. Agree with above that there may be a few bad apples that are making all of the primary VT players look bad, because that definitely isn't the reality.
I don't ever remember being explicitly told that all jet guys were douchebags, but I definitely remember having that impression in primary until I met actual jet guys. So I'm not sure exactly how it was instilled, but it was there. As for the lifestyle thing, I definitely remember some VP types saying things along the lines of, "Ok...if you want to spend all your time on the boat not drinking or making per diem" in response to finding out you were interested in jets. And, in actuality, there is some truth to it.
I also distinctly remember getting the broad generalization of idea in primary that the helo community was "super chill," the patrol community had the "best lifestyle," and that in the jet community, "the lifestyle sucks but the flying and the mission are awesome." In actuality, none of those are remotely close to being true across the board - I feel like it's much safer to say that every community is relaxed about some things and anal about others, every community has good duty stations and crappy ones, and times of high opstempo and times of low, and every community has cool missions and boring missions. The low representaiton of the jet community in primary instructors does allow false impressions to build though - I know I heard many times that as a jet pilot all I would do was "burn holes in the sky at 20,000 ft." To generalize broadly, all broad generalizations are false.
I also distinctly remember getting the broad generalization of idea in primary that the helo community was "super chill," the patrol community had the "best lifestyle," and that in the jet community, "the lifestyle sucks but the flying and the mission are awesome." In actuality, none of those are remotely close to being true across the board - I feel like it's much safer to say that every community is relaxed about some things and anal about others, every community has good duty stations and crappy ones, and times of high opstempo and times of low, and every community has cool missions and boring missions. The low representaiton of the jet community in primary instructors does allow false impressions to build though - I know I heard many times that as a jet pilot all I would do was "burn holes in the sky at 20,000 ft." To generalize broadly, all broad generalizations are false.
MasterBates
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Also, remember that LT X's experience in HSL-West may be 180 out from LT Y's in Mayport, and both sucked less than HS JAX.
I have heard this gem for a while. Haven't deployed yet but so far from observation and from stories this seems to be in the "may not be true category". Don't know how that got spread around in primary so much.
Yeah, I haven't deployed yet either, but it's tough to strafe from 20k...and there is a good deal of that going on in Afghanistan these days.
I would guess it's from one or two deployments where the fixed-wing guys were mostly doing ISR/whatever you call it with sensors and not dropping/releasing much (or at all). There was a reported stretch (both here and elsewhere) that the helos were the ones getting a lot of the action. That's not to say the fixed-wing weren't contributing, but as someone who's done a lot of sensor-pointing and not a lot of "action," I can understand the frustration.
Interesting, I've never heard that observation before (caveated with the people who just hated east coast in general).
MasterBates
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I'm not sure why, but HS-JAX was the "avoid at all costs" place according to the student gouge when I winged. Can't remember why exactly (been almost 10 years). I don't know if it was the RAG in SD followed by going to JAX, or what the deal was. I forget, but it was a definite "DO NOT WANT" for most of the Navy dudes I winged with +/- a couple classes.
I do remember it was #14 on my list (14 choices then) and HSL East was #13. Fuck Quality Spread. Dudes who were one flight from attrition all through the HTs were getting my top 5.. I got 13 of 14. (I was #2 or #3 out of a fairly big winging class).
Master's preference list:
1-HC Sigonella
2-HC Guam
3-HC San Diego
4-HC (H-3) Norfolk
5-HC (H-46/60) Norfolk
6-HM Norfolk
7-HSL Japan
8-HS Japan
9-HSL Hawaii
10-HSL San Diego
11- HS San Diego
12-HM Corpus
13-HSL Mayport
14-HS JAX
I do remember it was #14 on my list (14 choices then) and HSL East was #13. Fuck Quality Spread. Dudes who were one flight from attrition all through the HTs were getting my top 5.. I got 13 of 14. (I was #2 or #3 out of a fairly big winging class).
Master's preference list:
1-HC Sigonella
2-HC Guam
3-HC San Diego
4-HC (H-3) Norfolk
5-HC (H-46/60) Norfolk
6-HM Norfolk
7-HSL Japan
8-HS Japan
9-HSL Hawaii
10-HSL San Diego
11- HS San Diego
12-HM Corpus
13-HSL Mayport
14-HS JAX
I don't recall HS Jax being available for us, but I could be wrong. I do remember, in multiple winging classes, that people who sucked got everyone's last choice which was HSL Mayport. I recall one in particular who ready-room downed his solo... not kidding. Mayport.
Current trends are for Navy folks to really want anything west coast. (shocking, right?) With the advent of the Romeo, some are picking HSM in order to fly "the newest helo in the fleet." <shrug>
I know that Big E's deployment in 2007 dropped not a lot of ordnance - may have been where the whole "burning holes at 20k" thing comes from.
I know that Big E's deployment in 2007 dropped not a lot of ordnance - may have been where the whole "burning holes at 20k" thing comes from.