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The Warrants have arrived
- Thread starter e6bflyer
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Goober,
At the rate I am going, the OpsO will be the CO before I get there..
Is the short bus not stopping to pick you up and take you to work?
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
No, I have to walk.. I cant climb up into the bus..
Thank goodness! I was waiting for that to happen.
The only place you will see an RLO as an IP is at Rucker or in the guard. The 212th which is the Blackhawk Company at Rucker is made up of Warrants and Department of the Army Civlians ( DACS). It is commanded by an 0-3 and his commander is an 0-5. They are both IP's. They do fly but not as an everyday job. The Warrants and the DAC's do 99% of the flying. The 0-3 will have a W-4 or sometimes a W-3 run each flight platoon. When you get out into the big army the only IP billets are for Warrants.
I think it would serve the Navy well to send a few 0-3 or 0-4 types out to fly with Army units and see the good and bad aspects of our program.
The major down fall of the Army program is inexperienced leaders in the cockpit
It's rare if I do see one, but perhaps that's who I saw, the O-3 commander guy. They were definitely from Rucker w/ their ghetto orange door'ed helos.
A couple of problems with your assessment.
1) You spoke to an Apache pilot. That should be avoided at all cost at all times, unless you want to hear how great they are. [joke: how can you tell when an Apache pilot is at a party? .......he'll tell you]
2) You spoke with one dude a month ago and took it as fact. Look at some of the knuckleheads you work with (we all have them...or are them...) - how would you like someone to base their assessment of your entire community on one conversation with the office/cockpit idiot?
3) CW3s and especially CW4s rarely make poor decisions. CW2s...yeah, they do...but they are like the LTs of the bunch...still young, inexperienced, and wanting to push the edge. The CW4s that stick around, espcially IP and MTP types, are some of the most sound, prefessional, and competent pilots anywhere. There is no commissioned officer, not one, in the Army that can compete with the experience of a CW4 when it comes to flying. And CW5s? As I said in an earlier thread...people climb mountains to ask them questions.
Like OH-58D stated, there are good and bad in both ranks. If a 0-1 comes out of flight school thinking he is the shizat then he is usually slited by the Warrants and won't every see HAC/PC.
It goes both ways, good RLO's listen to their go to guys ( CW3 and CW4's )
and good Warrants back their commanders. If they disagree it is behind closed doors.
It goes both ways, good RLO's listen to their go to guys ( CW3 and CW4's )
and good Warrants back their commanders. If they disagree it is behind closed doors.
Quick question, not to sidetrack the debate too much, but....
So if that 0-5 is flying with a bunch of of CW-X pilots, isn't the super inexperienced 0-5 the mission commander, but also the least qualified to assess the situation?
Or does the army somehow change how that works?
So if that 0-5 is flying with a bunch of of CW-X pilots, isn't the super inexperienced 0-5 the mission commander, but also the least qualified to assess the situation?
Or does the army somehow change how that works?
MasterBates
Well-Known Member
Well, with the USN now, I was often the Mission and Aircraft Commander while flying with non-current or non-qualified LCDR and CDRs.
There were a couple odd flights when I flew as a 2P with a Dual-Qualed HAC Flight Surgeon where I was the Mission Commander and he was the Aircraft Commander, but normally whoever is listed first on the sked was who was the HAC/MC.
Not too uncommon to have a LT or JG listed with the Hinge as the CP.
There were a couple odd flights when I flew as a 2P with a Dual-Qualed HAC Flight Surgeon where I was the Mission Commander and he was the Aircraft Commander, but normally whoever is listed first on the sked was who was the HAC/MC.
Not too uncommon to have a LT or JG listed with the Hinge as the CP.
I see what you are saying, but I am talking about "the buck stops here" type thing. I thought (maybe incorrectly?) that the official MC was the senior qualled aviator in the flight. By that thinking (if I am correct) that 0-5--assuming he is current--would be the MC but possibly the least quallified?
phrogpilot73
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Nope. Not the case. I was the Assault Flight Leader of a number of missions with Maj's and LtCol's in the flight.
Roooooger that. Thanks.
Some of you NAs need to research this possibility. Will you be able to convert to CWO status as an NA. The Army does this all the time. If you do it as a Ens, you will make a few extra dollars a month and you'll be flying throughout your Naval career. The flying warrants will have priority over flight time in the squadrons.
The USAF has turned down this program time and time again. A true NA would rather serve in a non flying billet sailing the ocean blue then flying Air Farce. Besides, the Navy is about sailing anyway.
If you want to fly Navy, you better go Warrant or get your a** in the strike community for now.
The USAF has turned down this program time and time again. A true NA would rather serve in a non flying billet sailing the ocean blue then flying Air Farce. Besides, the Navy is about sailing anyway.
If you want to fly Navy, you better go Warrant or get your a** in the strike community for now.