Gotcha, agreed, although I'm not so sure the Dems intent is to deceive anyone. They've been pretty straight forward about their desire for a socialized system.
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The Great Universal Health Care Debate w/Poll (note: it just passed both houses)
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Gotcha, agreed, although I'm not so sure the Dems intent is to deceive anyone. They've been pretty straight forward about their desire for a socialized system.
Brett
Clux4
Banned
Clinton was not successful in getting his wishes with regards to healthcare reform. We had a Republican administration that did not lift a finger in 8 years concerning an issue they also agreed needed reform. Republicans can say all they want, they had 8 years to fix what was broke. May the troubles of socialized healthcare bring a sense of guilt on their soul for doing nothing!! (I doubt that will ever happen)
I am about tired of all the whining. Healthcare reform is just one of many issues and I am glad to tell you that Socialized healthcare or whatever you wish to call it, is here to stay.
I am about tired of all the whining. Healthcare reform is just one of many issues and I am glad to tell you that Socialized healthcare or whatever you wish to call it, is here to stay.
ryan1234
Well-Known Member
An interesting part of the bill is the part where you are penalized for not complying the the mandate to the IRC. This is the part that is not constitutional and I would even say diametrically opposed to the core concepts of individual autonomy and liberty.
As a side note the McCarran-Ferguson Act is left out of the bill, depsite the absolute power of the states to regulate health insurance unimpeded by the Federal government. The vehicle in which they passing this bill is the Commerce Clause.... but it is so twisted that now it means the government can compel people into intrastate trade.
This is the real unconsitutional part:
The penalty tax is not an income tax, nor an excise tax, but rather a direct tax (based on per family members, ie per person). The Constitution requires direct taxes to be apportioned by each state, it says nothing about the federal neo-police power to do so over a non-event.
As a side note the McCarran-Ferguson Act is left out of the bill, depsite the absolute power of the states to regulate health insurance unimpeded by the Federal government. The vehicle in which they passing this bill is the Commerce Clause.... but it is so twisted that now it means the government can compel people into intrastate trade.
This is the real unconsitutional part:
The penalty tax is not an income tax, nor an excise tax, but rather a direct tax (based on per family members, ie per person). The Constitution requires direct taxes to be apportioned by each state, it says nothing about the federal neo-police power to do so over a non-event.
How about we just call it a fine and it's all good, no? Anyhow, if serious legal schollars deem this program unconstitutional, it will be challenged. Otherwise, everyone can just STFU about it.
Brett
Random8145
Registered User
This healthcare bill is not "reform" in any way whatsoever. It is a cluster**** of epic proportions (pardon the word).
The ONLY reason the Democrats are rushing it through is because they have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to take control of a sixth of the U.S. economy.
The bill has all sorts of new regulatory agencies, commissions, and rules that no one really knows how they will all interact.
We have no need for socialized medicine in this nation. The private sector can handle it just fine. The only reason other countries have such systems is because they are much more socialist-leaning then the United States.
We are the greatest nation in the world precisely because we do NOT model ourselves after these other nations.
Clux4
Banned
We are the greatest for many reasons. The one you give is not.
Random8145
Registered User
In that we do not copy other nations with their big government, high-taxation and regulation, it is.
Clux4
Banned
I think we have the biggest government, so that is out the water. We don't have as much taxes but we will get there pretty soon as we need to do something to the national debt. We have regulations and lots of them because we have to make sure that people and businesses are not just taking matters into their own hands. Most developed countries have a lot of regulations. So, how are we different?
Obama caught off guard
This was great today. Skip to the end of the clip at the 4:00 mark. +1 for the reporter that called him out.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...e-in/9AD67C33B36701E5CA3D9AD67C33B36701E5CA3D
This was great today. Skip to the end of the clip at the 4:00 mark. +1 for the reporter that called him out.
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...e-in/9AD67C33B36701E5CA3D9AD67C33B36701E5CA3D
+1 for his "old man shuffle" back to the podium.
Clux, yes, he got called out. And rightfully so.
boobcheese
Registered User
Unless I'm missing something, that's a pretty uneventful clip. I can only assume there was something actually substantive that has since been removed.
Ok, so he had to be prompted. Nothing unexpected here.