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The Great, Constantly Changing Picture Gallery...part DEUX
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Phantom309
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Tomcats rule! Baddest Airchine ever...
By "gills' do you mean the splitter vanes inboard of the intakes? Not an old VFC gent, but I assume same-same as on the F-4...get "clean" (e.g., non-boundary layer air) down the intakes.
I was referring to the column of horizontal slats just forward of the "Navy" side insignia that you can see in that second -111 bird in the above pics. Not sure if this is what you are referring to here, but I'm guessing you mean something more akin to the splitters on my steed, with all the little holes to break up the boundary air.
Phantom309
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@MIDNJAC I'm not sure either I'll ask a guy I work with, he used to crew the AF F-5's. My educated guess just from my time working airplanes would one of three things.
1) allow air in, because I noticed they are open and he's on approach with gear down, and at the lower airspeed it could allow more air to get to the engine(s)
2) get the heat out, the F-5 may have had a bleed air issue in that configuration of flight, and they designed that to allow heat escape (just a guess)
3) it's looks really cool, and the engineer had an extra actuator he needed to get in the engine bay, and said "hey lets put gills here because it'll go with the shark mouth"
I'll find out for sure for you though
1) allow air in, because I noticed they are open and he's on approach with gear down, and at the lower airspeed it could allow more air to get to the engine(s)
2) get the heat out, the F-5 may have had a bleed air issue in that configuration of flight, and they designed that to allow heat escape (just a guess)
3) it's looks really cool, and the engineer had an extra actuator he needed to get in the engine bay, and said "hey lets put gills here because it'll go with the shark mouth"
I'll find out for sure for you though
Phantom309
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All I've ever worked on was the F-15 and the F-4, and a couple of jobs on the F-16. One old dog we have though started out on the B-66 and he mentioned he worked on the F-5 at one time in his career. I just don't know if the AF model had that on it or not. I know there were some difference between the Navy F-4's and the AF F-4's but they were minor for the most part. This one has me intrigued though
Pretty sure it's #2.@MIDNJAC I'm not sure either I'll ask a guy I work with, he used to crew the AF F-5's. My educated guess just from my time working airplanes would one of three things.
1) allow air in, because I noticed they are open and he's on approach with gear down, and at the lower airspeed it could allow more air to get to the engine(s)
2) get the heat out, the F-5 may have had a bleed air issue in that configuration of flight, and they designed that to allow heat escape (just a guess)
3) it's looks really cool, and the engineer had an extra actuator he needed to get in the engine bay, and said "hey lets put gills here because it'll go with the shark mouth"
I'll find out for sure for you though
Phantom309
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that would be my guess too, I can't see it as being #1 because it would only be hitting the side of the engine not really cooling anything. #2 seems most likely because it would allow heat to escape. The F-4E had a mod done to it where it purge heat when the gun was fired via a little door that would open.
707guy
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From my humble line guy experience, on both the F-5 and T-38 there is high pressure air coming out of those after engine start. The T-38 doesn't have the "louvers" of the F-5 but there is a "vent" on the T-38 in the same place. Since both of them need a huffer for engine start, and the air connection is on the bottom of the fuselage near the "louvers," I learned to duck when going near those with the engine running. Interestingly - the AF T-38s require a "switch" that is inside the panel with the air connection be moved to direct air to the #2 engine to enable start. The NASA T-38s that I've worked have the capability to do that from the cockpit, and the F-5s usually do a cross bleed start while taxiing.
Phantom309
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I did some research and this is what I was able to find. It turns out that it looks like it was #1 from what I've read there was a variant of the F-5 that had a bigger engine the site I read it on mentioned the F-5E specifically.
"The use of the new Dash 21 engine also required the installation of CF-5/NF-5-type louvre doors in the rear fuselage to prevent compressor starvation at low forward speeds."
The louvre doors allow more air to get to the compressor to prevent a compressor stall from occuring.
here's the link
http://panzercentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=17171
"The use of the new Dash 21 engine also required the installation of CF-5/NF-5-type louvre doors in the rear fuselage to prevent compressor starvation at low forward speeds."
The louvre doors allow more air to get to the compressor to prevent a compressor stall from occuring.
here's the link
http://panzercentral.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=17171
A few from the Naval Aviation Museum's Facebook page:
Beached Whales- KA-3B Skywarriors of Tactical Electronics Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 308 pictured at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nevada, on October 12, 1977
Aircraft of Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 1 in flight during squadron work-ups at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nevada on October 24, 1983
Beached Whales- KA-3B Skywarriors of Tactical Electronics Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 308 pictured at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nevada, on October 12, 1977
Aircraft of Carrier Air Wing (CVW) 1 in flight during squadron work-ups at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nevada on October 24, 1983
An FH-1 Phantom of Fighter Squadron (VF) 171 pictured on approach for recovery on board the aircraft carrier Philippine Sea (CV 47) during carrier qualifications in 1948
The original caption for this image taken on September 21, 1964, forty-eight years ago today, reads "The last two Fleet Demons were "piped over the side" in a colorful ceremony at the U. S. Naval Air Station, Miramar, CA, which at the same time, welcomed aboard the first F-4B to be delivered to the squadron. CDR W. J. Welty, Commanding Officer of Fighter Squadron 161, and LCDR L. D. Baldridge, Jr., squadron Executive Officer, taxied the last two McDonnell fighters past the assembled men of the squadron, who rendered honors to the Demons as they prepared for their last flight
A few from the Naval Aviation Museum's Facebook page:
Beached Whales- KA-3B Skywarriors of Tactical Electronics Warfare Squadron (VAQ) 308 pictured at Naval Air Station (NAS) Fallon, Nevada, on October 12, 1977
I was able to crawl up inside the A-3 when it was in our hanger being restored in Whidbey. I was surprised how small (and uncomfortable) the cockpit was for such a big aircraft. I literally wouldn't have been able to fly it (I'm only 6 ft).
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