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TH-73

Ugh, correction... TRAWING FIVE took its last TH-57 flight. HX-21 operates TH-57Cs, and USNTPS will fly TH-57Bs soon.

I wonder if the Navy considers them 'officially' retired from the service yet or not. The T-2, S-3 and T-34C were all officially retired but then flew for several more years after in the Navy, pretty sure the Turbo-Weenie still does.
 
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The ultimate indignity was the final flight and sundown ceremony of the SH-60B at North Island.....while two SH-60Bs were still deployed from WINGLANT. I guess there was no reason to acknowledge those dirty Reservists.
Is it really a big deal to celebrate the retirement of a variant of a platform when it continues to fly in in the fleet in another major variation in essentially the same mission ?
 
Is it really a big deal to celebrate the retirement of a variant of a platform when it continues to fly in in the fleet in another major variation in essentially the same mission ?

Maybe you had to be there, but the vibe was far more about the CDRE having the ceremony under his watch versus whether the platform was truly being sundowned at a specific time.

With the benefit of perspective, I understand your point, but I think what put a mildly bad taste in some people's mouth was that there wasn't recognition that there were still people deployed flying the airframe that was supposedly now retired.
 
Maybe you had to be there, but the vibe was far more about the CDRE having the ceremony under his watch versus whether the platform was truly being sundowned at a specific time.

With the benefit of perspective, I understand your point, but I think what put a mildly bad taste in some people's mouth was that there wasn't recognition that there were still people deployed flying the airframe that was supposedly now retired.
60F & H sundowns OTOH actually coincided with the transition of HS-11 and HSC-85 to 60S and the end of all USN operations of the legacy series (to my knowledge).
 
Spoke to a buddy on the program who shared that a lot of the teething problems with availability were as a result of the contract maint provider not stepping up to take on the new aircraft. Thats been fixed. Heard T/R inspection and the HGU-56 helmet issues are no longer issues (or were overblown early on).
 
Spoke to a buddy on the program who shared that a lot of the teething problems with availability were as a result of the contract maint provider not stepping up to take on the new aircraft.
It’s amazing how much we let these people fuck us in CNATRA. We need to hire some real lawyers to help us write these contracts or something.
 
Spoke to a buddy on the program who shared that a lot of the teething problems with availability were as a result of the contract maint provider not stepping up to take on the new aircraft. Thats been fixed. Heard T/R inspection and the HGU-56 helmet issues are no longer issues (or were overblown early on).

What does "not stepping up" mean in that context?

Sometimes comments that that actually mean "the contractor wasn't going to do work for free." I'm willing to bet the inspection and maintenance requirements for the 119 are substantially different than the 57's, yet the required number of Ready Basic Aircraft are probably the same. Something has to give.

It definitely depends on one's point of view.
 
Also Health Monitoring is coming big time to the helo making many maint and inspections "on condition" as opposed to "every xxx hours".
 
What does "not stepping up" mean in that context?

Sometimes comments that that actually mean "the contractor wasn't going to do work for free." I'm willing to bet the inspection and maintenance requirements for the 119 are substantially different than the 57's, yet the required number of Ready Basic Aircraft are probably the same. Something has to give.

It definitely depends on one's point of view.
To your point - contract maintainers allotting excessive time and materials to tasks that are designed to be simple and quick.
 
What’s market value of the inspections? And does how we use the aircraft drive inspections that would be more ‘one offs’?

Condition based maintenance can be a lot more expensive. Imagine an over sensitive recording system that shows excursions on the tape but not in the cockpit. Said excursions drive more maintenance.
 
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