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Supplements and Getting Fit

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jaerose

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Well, none of the fat burners have ephedra in them anymore, so it's pretty much up to you. Ephedra got a bad rap in my opinion, but that's just me. If you do take one, make sure you can handle stimulants well and don't have any heart conditions...also, take a quality product with the ingredients listed on the back. DO NOT take anything with a 'proprietary blend' of stuff because they don't have to list what is in them is specific amounts, meaning in a 500mg capsule you could be getting 499mg of dust as long as there's 1mg of active product. They're rip offs. Also, remember that they are to be used in conjunction with diet and exercise...there's no magic pill.

The morning thing might be tough, but if you go to bed a few minutes earlier 3 days per week(or however many days per week you want to do it), then that's all you need. Even just 20 minutes of cardio on an empty stomach will give you great results. You can also hold off on eating for another 30-60 minutes immediately after and you'll be in a state of lipolysis where your body will be torching fat. Don't wait any longer, or you'll cannibalize muscle. Plus, the recruiting district (at least ours) is required to give you 1 hour three times per week for PT. To be honest and risk sounding rude (not my intentions), if you want to lose the gut you are going to have to have some discipline and make sacrifices because it's not easy. If you could not change any habits and magically have abs by taking a pill, or whatever, then everyone would be ripped and no one would be overweight. Maybe getting up 30 minutes earlier is the sacrifice you'll have to make.

Anyway, here are a few ideas:
1) Shorten and intensify your weight training (45 minutes with little rest in between sets gives a cardio-like effect and will help you burn fat).
2) Instead of long and slow runs everyday, work in some interval training to rev up your metabolism...think of it like this, you see distance runners with tubby bellies, but how many fat sprinters do you see?
3) If your calories are okay, then think about altering your macronutrient ratios (fat, carbs and protein). If you eat a lot of carbs, which I'm assuming you do as much as you run, then maybe cut those back 10% and add it to proteins and/or healthy fats like flax see oil. Protien spikes your metabolism and you may be a bit insulin resistance due to the high carb diet.
4) Shorten the duration of your cardio, but increase the intensity. If you are always going long and slow, your body adapts to burning carbs as your primary means for energy (unless it's 90+ minutes then it trains your body to burn fat).
5) Martial Arts and Yoga/Pilates might be good alternatives, but in my opinion (I'm no expert) you'll just have a more flexible beer belly. Don't get me wrong, they're both good and challenging, but if you're already exercising like you say, then they aren't going to have a huge effect on you like they will someone from the infomercials who hasn't been off the couch for 15 years and then does pilates and loses half their bodyweight.
6) Eat 5-6 small and nutritionally sound meals per day. This keeps your metabolism up and protects you from binge eating and being hungry.
7) If you have to have alcohol, limit yourself to one per day through the week (then moderation on the weekends) and try to have it a few hours before bed so it doesn't screw with your sleep and growth hormone production.
8) Just do it. You can know how to do something, but unless you do it you'll never get to where you want to be! Good luck.

JR

-Sorry for the long post =)
 

perchul

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I agree about ephedra getting a bad wrap, those athletes that supposedly died from it were all taking way to much over a long period of time. While there aren't really fat burning products with ephedra in them, I have found some good "thermogenic" products that still have them. You need to find a small supplement store where the owner or the staff really digs what they do, not GNC. Although some states have a complete ban on the stuff, so you may not be able to. I have a drink the contains 25mg of the stuff right when I work out.
 

goplay234

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Jaerose,
Can you reccomend a good cardio short duration workout? I have always been a distance guy as the key thing. Let me know.
 

crimson

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Okay- okay- okay-

so, yes, i am female, and maybe "dude" was too valley. sorry! i grew up in London and San Fran so I try to be more casual than i normally would. but hey, give me a break.

on the a.m. workout thing: there is no real 'concrete proof'. jaerose comments are correct in so are as your levels of muscle and liver glycogen (stored carbos) are normally very low when you wake up first thing in the morning. With depleted glycogen and lower blood sugar, you give your body the opportunity to burn fat instead of carbohydrates. However, they have also shown that this is not true if you have gone more than 7-8 hours without food (so it depends on how much you sleep). This kind of metabolic process happens if you
do not eat three hours before a workout.

Carbohydrates or glycogen are your body's primary and preferred source of energy. When they're low, your body will tap into your secondary energy reserve, which is your body fat, however, if you go too long without food, your body just craves ATP and will eat your muscle first. ok? the body is very complicated...there are very few hard and fast rules there.

Have you thought about seeing a doctor and making sure all of your liver functions, thyroid, etc are cool? Also, what about a sports medicine trainer or a nutrionist. Maybe they can narrow your possible problems/concerns.
 

jaerose

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First, pick an apparatus (I like the ellipse because it's similar to running). If you are going for 20 minutes, the minimum I would do in the AM, do a 5 minute warm up, 10 minutes of HIIT (high intensity interval training...read more about it on EAS website, or musclemedia.com) then cool down for 5 minutes. For HIIT, you do 1 minute at a high intensity (80% MHR, or 8 out of 10 on perceived exertion), followed by 1 minute of recovery (50-60% MHR, or 5-6 out of 10). Or, you can do 20 second sprints followed by a 10 second recovery (running, cardio machines, skipping rope. For this you only do about 4 minutes because it's at an all-out pace during the sprints, so it's 8 total intervals. Jump rope and sprinting is good for this. You end up with about 15 minutes of cardio, but the intervals and high intensity cause you to burn more fat throughout the next 24 hours. That's what I do when I'm short on time. If you want to go longer, great, but these two will give you awesome results, too, if you stick with them and do them 3 times a week (at least). I'd bet you'll see pretty good results after about 4 weeks. Also, the shorter duration allows you to spare more muscle, just like the good doctor says =)

JR

-Feel free to IM any questions.
 

kevin

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if you are trying to GAIN weight, it partly depends on what youre going for. for strength (partly because of the highly intense heavy lifting) protein is predominantly important. for mass, carbs are predominantly important (though both are important for both goals). this is (as nashmodeler stated) because your body will use protein from muscle for fuel (highly inefficient, hence a lot of breakdown). if you are trying to lose weight, it is still important to eat GOOD carbs so as to limit protein breakdown, which would result in less muscle and hence less constant fat burning. bad carbs (not fat) are the primary enemy. a good way to keep metabolism really high for losing weight is to split your daily workouts into 2 slightly shorter workouts (1 am, 1 pm). and dont eat before you go to bed because it causes insuling problems overnight. jaerose, yes fat provides more energy per gram, but most carb foods have far more carbs than fatty foods have fat. say a typical food has 4 g of fat, 15 g of carb, then most calories are coming from carbs, not fat. i still hate your guts and hope you die of gonnorhea (sp? pathology class was a while ago) and rot in hell. if you really, really want to lose weight, try forcing yourself to throw up after every meal....but these meals should include only 1 potato chip and a piece of broccoli.
 

Janoman

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I have taken Tae Kwon Do for about 2 years and the major benefit i have seen from it is flexibility. Yes it has also chiseled my body a little bit, but with the rigorous workout you have said you already do, i don't know if it would do a great deal. And as for the cost, try to find a small school if you are really interested as they tend to have lower rates. I only paid 30 bucks a month for a school that met 3 days a week regularly with extra classes for those that wanted more. As for ab machines and the like, be careful with that as they tend to actually increase you stomach size.

-Don't lose the drive
 

jaerose

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Yes, you're right about the ratios in foods, but I, for instance, supplement with 2 tablespoons of flax seed oil. That's 28grams of inexpensive and heart healthy essential fatty acids. That's just what I do...your own body and pocket book will show you which way to go for you.

Side Note: Can you really die of gonnorhea? What do your pathology books say doc (nashmodeler)?
Kevin, your hate for me was never doubted in any way!

JR
 

goplay234

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As for food, I am doing the Atkins thing. It has really helped. I have lost over 60 pounds on it. My inclination would be to stay on it but it has stalled for the past couple of months. Jaerose, thanks for the sprint workout. I tried it today and it was awesome. I think I will couple it with my long run to double the benefits. If you guys have any other hints, let me know. Thanks.
 

crimson

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jaerose-
you can not die of gonorrhoea. you spelled it wrong by the way. it is never good to spell sexually transmitted infections wrong. that shows a complete lack of experience! just kidding!

actually, i am an ID (infectious disease) specialist(hopefully). mostly sexual stuff. it is really cool. the worst STD you can get is syphilis. that will kill you. but other than having a unusable member, gonorrhoea and chlamydia can not kill you. however, you can get parauretharal duct infection, tysonitis (not related to Mike Tyson), ascending local infections and epiidymides, brthlintios/skenitis, endometritis, and salpingitis (the last three were for women only).
Worse thing is you can get it in your eye and go blind. no i am not kidding. or you can get septicaemia, arthritis, dermaitis, endocarditis, and meningitis.

thanks for asking!
 

jaerose

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Hey, I only copied kevin's spelling of it...so he's the idiot =)

Kevin, I hear you can get them in your Happy Meal (or the restrooms) at McDonald's!

Goplay, you're welcome for the sprint workout...it's killer, but effective. The Atkin's diet is good, too, but if you've stalled I'd take anywhere from 2 days to 1 week off from it and have a little higher carb diet, then get back on and it should trick your body into burning the fat again. You're body has caught onto what you're doing, that's all...you've got to keep fooling it.

JR
 

goplay234

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I tried going off of it once onto a low cal diet...I gained almost 6 pounds in two days!! Trust me, it was enough to go back to my cheeseburgers without the bun. I was only taking in 1800 calories and I was still gaining weight. OH well, time to go run again. I am beginning to wonder if there will ever be a time where I can relax and not be sore. Bitch bitch bitch....moan moan moan. Later.
 

goplay234

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I figured as much. Any ideas on how to lessen the soreness after the sprint workouts...I tell you, they are killing me. My shoulders even hurt!! Just ice or do you guys have another idea. Let me know.

Goplay
 
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