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Stupid Questions about Naval Aviation (Part 3)

jmcquate

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Damn, I have a box in the basement with a bunch of woodlands. May be I could get 6 figures for them. I'll take the name tags off for free.
 

Pags

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The 'non-fire retardant' thing is a Naval Enquirer-created 'controversy'. We've never had a fire-retardant shipboard working uniform for the non-snipes. Dungarees/wash khakis and SWOveralls were just cotton or poly-cotton...not like dungarees were made of nomex. Flash-proof was the only requirement, so that's the standard they used for NWUs. But the Navy Crimes talked about aquaflauge like it was going to spontaneously combust.

So the 'flameproof' thing is bullshit. But other than that, no, I can't say much to defend Aquaflauge. A 'working uniform' that's good for anything but actually working. The Navy got caught up in a fad (everybody needs their own licensed camo pattern!) and tried to rationalize it into something workable. They clearly put a lot of thought into the NWU's...just not much wisdom.

The Coasties have been wearing ODUs for about 15 years now, with only one major change (from a tucked-in blouse to untucked with waist pockets). NOAA and PHS have adopted it as their working uniform too. I will never stop being amazed at the Navy's compulsion to constantly re-invent the wheel just because we can.

The goddamned TFU hasn't produced a good result, to my knowledge, in its entire history.
There was lots of thought out in to NWUs...After decisions had already been make to make it look like it was the right decision.

This was all part of Mullen's hard-on for the USMC identity that he tried to impart on the USN via "one uniform for everyone" despite differing PPE requirements for various jobs and differing cultures of the various communities.
 

RobLyman

- hawk Pilot
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The ACU pattern was developed for the soldier, not the Army. This photo demonstrates how the uniform met its goal. ACU Couch.jpg

The Navy sailor also wanted a way to "blend in". Photo two clearly shows that the NWU met its goal.
ACU Navy.jpg
On the serious side, the Army does have camo flight suits in both the ACU and OCP pattern. We haven't worn green zoom suits since around 2008. It's ore about looking like everyone else in the Army than it is about the camo aspect.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
The Army fielded fire resistant ACUs back in 2008- mostly for when a vehicle hit something that made it catch on fire (especially IEDs with an accelerant/gasoline). The material was pretty similar to flight suit nomex but I can't remember if it was exactly the same or not. I don't know how much a pants and shirt set, er... trousers and blouse, cost compared to a standard uniform.
 

brownshoe

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The Navy started looking at a new working uniform because; 1- They hadn't settled on a decent working uniform since getting rid of the original dungarees, which frankly needed updating but they couldn't get that right and 2- Everyone else was getting on the multicam bandwagon wince the Marines went their own way with their digis, so why not go with some sort of blue pattern since Navy=blue?

The hiding stains BS was an excuse some came up with later in the process, a legend along the lines of the Marine one about how they developed their digis all on their own when they got the basic design from the Canadians.

They did....but then they also didn't. A lot of thought went into the pattern but it seems like they didn't go beyond that, like making it fire-resistant or otherwise more wearable for shipboard use. A lot like the first iteration of PT shirts that no one apparently bothered to work out in since it turned out they were see-through when they got wet. So now we have ended up with a green version of digis that says 'Navy' to no one at all. All of this courtesy of the Navy Uniform Board/TFU, a seemingly useless entity that hasn't decided hardly anything useful in the last 20+ years.

Hear, hear! I always thought the USCG fatigues were a great design we should adopt but since it wasn't invented here....

Shit, Flash, Seafarer jeans and chambray shirts were great. They were comfy and a great working uniform.:)
 
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TexasForever

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I just wish the Marines would let their pilots wear the same FROG gear that the grunts wear when it's hot out. Nomex isn't great in hot weather.
 

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
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The Army fielded fire resistant ACUs back in 2008- mostly for when a vehicle hit something that made it catch on fire (especially IEDs with an accelerant/gasoline). The material was pretty similar to flight suit nomex but I can't remember if it was exactly the same or not. I don't know how much a pants and shirt set, er... trousers and blouse, cost compared to a standard uniform.

You thinking of the FROG suit? Flame Retardant Outer Garment.
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
pilot
You thinking of the FROG suit? Flame Retardant Outer Garment.
Not sure; there were the stretchy, wicking, fire resistant "combat shirts" in the ACU pattern the same year (which, when mixed with sweat, produced as a byproduct the worst man-made smell I have ever experienced). Those had camouflage sleeves but a plain gray chest and back.

The fire resistant ACUs I'm thinking of looked a lot like the regular ACUs- slightly loose fitting, same cut IIRC (pockets, buttons, etc.).

That and this gear started showing up as our AO had finally quieted down about a month or two before I rotated home.
 

Flash

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Shit, Flash, Seafarer jeans and chambray shirts were great. They were comfy and a great working uniform.:)

And they looked just like prison uniforms for an Alabama chain gang! They were way outdated and needed to be replaced but instead of doing it right the Navy is now on its 3rd replacement.
 

hscs

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I just wish the Marines would let their pilots wear the same FROG gear that the grunts wear when it's hot out. Nomex isn't great in hot weather.
Is that a USMC reg?

3710 allows you to deviate from the standard flightsuit for non-ejection seat a/c.
 
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