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[MasterBates]

As someone who has flown in every flavor of Pilot VT as a Stud (Primary, Prop, Helo, Jet) the briefs here are laid back and instructional.

As opposed to Prop VTs where I had to spout out minutiae about how many coils of wire are in the prop overspeed governor and was it made by company X or Y. And I was treated as an IUT there.. (read- better than most students)

In order of laid-backness from cool to anal retentive (for no reason)

JetVT
HTs
Primary
PropVT

 

[mb1k]

In order of laid-backness from cool to anal retentive (for no reason)

JetVT
HTs
Primary
PropVT

I'll take some o' that action too. I've lived/SNA'd/sat-in/IP'd in all those. That assessment is about right.

However, I'd put HT and VT (primary) tied. VTs are like that because of the prop/maritime/LAMPS influence.

 

[Junior]

I thought that "laid back" atmosphere was great for learning. I was never hesitant to ask questions and the IP's were always willing to take time out of their day to answer any questions I had.

What’s wrong with not being stressed out? Know your s*** and then go fly the airplane. Why must people always try to make things harder than they are?

If a stud does get a ready room down (BTW, not the end of the world), I guarantee you that it will be his last one. All of these guys had to do well in primary to get where they are. I am sure that they all know how/when to study. Now if some IP wants to give downs just to prove a point (maybe he cant differentiate confidence from arrogance), that’s another matter.

Agree with all. The effectiveness of the briefs, judged on how much I learned and took with me and applied in the cockpit, increased exponentially throughout flight school. The briefing items in the RAG actually have to do with the flight. Imagine that.

 

[bolterking]

my point is, IMO I think dudes are going to get a shotgun blast to the face if they roll into a TC-12/T-44 brief thinking it's gonna be similar to a T-45 brief.



I have a little bit of T-45 experience ...

Jarhead we are on same page. Just when you throw out laid back, thinking more along line as a joke and unprofessional.

Think everyone is referring to what Gumbi and Bates are stating about useless airframe knowledge crap like old Solo check ride question of how many bolt's in T-34? one for every nut. Always was a big fan of how many pieces of wood were in T-34. Not one Maintenance crew knew that answer LOL

 

[airwinger]

T-2's and T-45's were much much much more chilled than T-34s ever were. I remember a T-34 IP asking me what the pressure of the standby fuel boost pump was. Deeply embarrassed that I didn't know(and couldn't find it in NATOPS) I spent an afternoon asking the linemen, maintenance contractors who finally called the manufacturer. Just what relevance this had to my level speed change will forever be a mystery to me.

In jets the only reason for knowing a system pressure was if you could read it on a gauge.
Although in my current platform I know the speedbrakes extend to 60 degrees on either side. Why I had to learn that tidbit is probably a fitrep bullet for some long since departed IP.

 

[bunk22]

can't positively answer that yet but one thing is for certain ... those dudes that get selected for E2/C2 out of this "Tailhook" experiment will be in for a rude awakening when they show up at Corpus for their prop training ... with their arrogance from being carrier qualed and the laid back atmosphere in T-45 briefs, I wonder how many of the students will go into their first prop flight unprepared and get ready room downs …

S/F

Good point. Back in the day, the way E2/C2 students rolled was primary, VT-4 for T-2C's then VT-31. My old IP's told me they all carried a kind of arrogance into the squadron. Not sure if it hurt them though. What hurt me was going through VT-27, VT-31 then VT-4. The briefs were easy, simple and laid back. Then got to VAW-120.....and for Masterbates....just wait. The briefs were intense, systems intensive to the nth degree and just a pain in the ass. I was not ready for it and was hammered at first. Not fun at all.

 

[SemperGumbi]

Not one Maintenance crew knew that answer LOL

5.

And yes, I can tell you where all 5 are.

 

[mb1k]

5.

And yes, I can tell you where all 5 are.

I used to be a 13X (thirteen-checker) and would lead off the brief with that question. Just when the stud would start to answer I'd interject, "Shut up (and smile to let him know I was kidding), I don't really care. I want to know that you know your EPs and can take this plane up and land it safely..."

Why I never got a negative end of course critique from some prop selectee that eats that stuff up I don't know...

 

[bolterking]

5.

And yes, I can tell you where all 5 are.

And here I thought it was 6. Damn another pink sheet. LOL