Single-Pilot KC-46 ops in INDOPACOM?

[Hopeful Hoya]

F-35 has dual FADECs on its engine. If one fails that is a no-shitter for us (especially if it was caused by the fuel being too hot and overheating the FADEC). It basically drives us to a flameout profile since if the second FADEC fails the engine will flameout with no manual backup available.

For all the downsides of a single engine the PW135 has been pretty beastly so far. We’ve had a couple instances of the engine ingesting broken refueling probe tips and it kept chugging along, it’s a big confidence booster.

 

[HSMPBR]

In the -60, if the ECU malfunctions (which can happen for a myriad of reasons, and not necessarily because of the ECU specifically), you can switch to a manual engine control. With how the rigging is set, you adjust the "max" allowable power with the PCL and it's mostly set and forget until you land.

Or you could just let it burn. Engine is already torched and it’s not like I was chewing on the wire harness or whatever. It’s free Nr.

 

[HSMPBR]

It is - fully. Side stick cyclic too...

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Gross

 

[Gatordev]

Gross

Beat me to it.

As an aside, I learned last night after reading one of the bazillion 407 emails on my work account that the 407GXi just has dual FADECs and no manual mode, unlike the legacy 407 FADEC systems. I have a feeling phrog knows this, but it was interesting to read after this thread exchange.

 

[Odominable]

Agree to disagree, side cyclic rocks.

 

[ChuckMK23]

Agree to disagree, side cyclic rocks.

Interesting bit of trivia, the 53 kilo was almost produced without rudder pedals at all and instead incorporating a three-axis side cyclic where yaw was controlled by twisting the cyclic. While it was feasible from an engineering and control laws standpoint, it was rejected for negative habit transfer reasons in the end.

 

[jmcquate]

where yaw was controlled by twisting the cyclic

Sounds like a flight sim stick system.

 

[JollyGood]

Pretty sure we're already at a point where if the "magic" doesn't work, the Hornets and Growlers are trimming up and ejecting alongside. And that doesn't seem to be a problem.

We are not quite there yet, but perhaps when VT CQ is scaled back or even gone, those are some decisions CAGs and Captains will be making together.

 

[Griz882]

Interesting bit of trivia, the 53 kilo was almost produced without rudder pedals at all and instead incorporating a three-axis side cyclic where yaw was controlled by twisting the cyclic. While it was feasible from an engineering and control laws standpoint, it was rejected for negative habit transfer reasons in the end.

Just imagine the entirely new training pipeline you’d need.

 

[Gatordev]

Sounds like a flight sim stick system.

Sounds like a carpel tunnel syndrome VA claim in the making.

 

[nittany03]

Sounds like a carpel tunnel syndrome VA claim in the making.

(VA bureaucrat whips out “not service-connected” rubber stamp)

 

[Griz882]

(VA bureaucrat whips out “not service-connected” rubber stamp)

“Down, wrist swish right, idle, turn…”

 

[JustAGuy]

I’ve never heard of an engine flaming out mid-flight in a Rhino due to a FADEC-specific issue (which doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, but I would expect such occurrences to be extremely rare).

? Had a FADEC commanded shutdown of an engine in Fallon as a RAG instructor with a a couple of solo students on my wing on their live day with live weapons of my own. I remember being very cavalier about it, like "Huh, my engine is rolling back. Weird. Huh, look ENG page says Shutdown, that's not supposed to happen."

FADEC just up and completely shit itself internally without any warning which would have been me in a parachute in a current single engine aircraft with where I was.

 

[nittany03]

? Had a FADEC commanded shutdown of an engine in Fallon as a RAG instructor with a a couple of solo students on my wing on their live day with live weapons of my own. I remember being very cavalier about it, like "Huh, my engine is rolling back. Weird. Huh, look ENG page says Shutdown, that's not supposed to happen."

FADEC just up and completely shit itself internally without any warning which would have been me in a parachute in a current single engine aircraft with where I was.

I’d take a very rare F404 rollback over a very rare J52 spontaneous explosion.

 

[wink]

I’d take a very rare F404 rollback over a very rare J52 spontaneous explosion.

Have a buddy that won that lottery. A rare J52 explosion damaged so much he took a rocket ride.