You're only saying that because you traded your gold for pewter.
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Should I stay or should I go? Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love HSC.
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(It's silver! SILVER!)
Agree. If Whopper had said this in a bar people would either roll their eyes or fire back along community lines and it would just be some good ole brand x shit talking.
Whopper was a HAC in the SARDET when I was Mini and he's a good guy. That DET was filled with good people who were excited to be in the fleet and be HSC pilots. They had some great esprit d'corps and seemed to make the best of their patrol. To include getting all black flight suits to be super tactical. I also flew my last flight in a USN aircraft with Whopper and that DET so I admittedly have a soft spot.
He's also just come back to the world from what seemed to be a unique experience so we can probably forgive him for being a bit gungy as he reflects.
HSC v HSM, the ultimate cripple fight
Dumb question: are you automatically “winged” in the AF when you do an IST?
Yes, I basically just gave them a copy of my NATOPS. They reviewed it and validated the requirements for wings.
The Navy does the same thing with guys coming from other services. The only real hiccup I've seen is the instrument ratings of Army guys coming over.
Cool . . . . thanks.
You’re really selling VP vs VQ short.
Bet you get a free bowl of soup with that meme.
Yeah, and despite 1500 hours in a Seahawk, the Army made me go through the UH-60A AQC before they would let me wear Army wings. (I can't roll my eyes enough without risking a serious injury!)
I can remember the 4 person cage matches with HSL (H-2), HSL (H-60), HC (H-46) and HS (H-3) all busting each others chops. Then the P-3 guy stumbles in and everyone goes straight for the drink holder on the yoke and the microwave (I know...convection) oven ..and the ehh hem...bunks in the back.
We do the same thing with the 47 and 72 guys here. The Apache guys??? Noone wants to talk to them...beside, you can't get a word in with them anyway.
I remember as an SNA at Whiting, the Navy was all over IST for army aviators 2 fill in the experience gap with the introduction of the Seahawk. A number of former Army guys, designated Army Aviators with loads of UH-60A time the Navy needed immediately. These guys showed up wearing khakis, lieutenant bars, and gold wings on their chests and we're going to do a short course through the HT's.
A huge pissing contest ensued with CNATRA raising hell that only he had the power to designate Naval Aviators and certainly not BuPers.
If I recall these accomplished Army dudes had to cycle back to VT's.
I suspect payback @RobLyman ?
A huge pissing contest ensued with CNATRA raising hell that only he had the power to designate Naval Aviators and certainly not BuPers.
If I recall these accomplished Army dudes had to cycle back to VT's.
I suspect payback @RobLyman ?
Where will we find such men, Brett327? I sure hope the HSC bubbas you speak of will be able to find it within themselves to stop complaining and do something helpful/valuable for Big Navy. Sarcasm aside, I know full well that every Sailor, regardless of community, will be giving their all to help in the search.
US sailor missing after going overboard in Persian Gulf | CNN Politics
A search-and-rescue operation is underway for a US sailor who went overboard from the USS Abraham Lincoln aircraft carrier in the Persian gulf on Wednesday, according to a statement from the US Navy.
In all honesty, though, Brett327, what ever made you think that any HSC/HSM pilot has “lost sight” of their responsibility (nay, calling) to be there on call “so others may live”? It’s baked into every mission set we do. Just fly Starboard D? Sure, we can do that, but what about if you go down away from Mom’s IZ? Heaven forbid it be on shore somewhere, and in an unprepared zone, at that. Oh, and it better just have been a maintenance malfunction, because we certainly shouldn’t want to have to defend ourselves or you going in or out. Maybe we should be able to rescue you in an environment where you train to operate as well?
I’ve never understood the cognitive dissidence of some jet bubbas. In one breath, they preach about the CVW’s ability to project power from the sea quickly and before the Air Force or Army can get basing rights, and in the next breath poo-poo their fellow Naval Aviators asking for the smallest bit of support to protect and recover their fixed-wing brethren during such actions. Maybe it stems from the fact that I’ve yet to be able to go to an Air Wing Fallon and not meet Hornet WTIs who don’t even know helicopters have hoists...But thanks, Brett327, for clearing up what my priorities should be.
I can appreciate his dig if it weren't for two things. 1) If you and I were chatting and I make a comment about how HSC guys can't stop hitting thins with their blades, you'd chuckle and acknowledge that there's some truth to the dig. But this was an unsolicited tweet by "the public" after Jack made himself an unofficial PAO by doing the AFG article. I get it, I would joke around with people at air shows too, but it's different when all that's posted 147 (or whatever) characters.
2) When you do make a tongue-in-cheek tweet about how awesome your community is because you do "PR" and "SOF" (which can mean literally anything) but then also state in your interview that you didn't have much experience landing in the dirt, there's a little bit of a credibility problem and yeah, I'm going to mock you a bit. You know, just like busting your balls about trees/light poles and rotor blades.
As you say, one should be able to bust another's balls, but when you put yourself out there in the public view (in this case social media), it's a two-way street.
Maybe I misread, but I think Brett was very specifically agreeing with the whole point of your post.