Pretty sure that was done on purpose.The fact that a relevant AQD for SELRES anybody happens to be “DWE” entertains me.
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Should I stay or should I go? Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying And Love HSC.
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Is -85 taking shore tour JOs again that they can earn DWE?
I say this with particular knowledge to the position I am currently in: DoD as a whole has reduced in the past few years its overall capability to perform PR; particularly from a joint perspective. The burden is falling more on each individual service, or at least each component commander (Maritime, Air, Land) to be able to perform it, or at the very least, do the initial steps on their own. This is not just a Navy problem.
And just to clarify, everything I'm advocating for comes from being a SME and not some random SWO giving their opinion on a Naval Aviation forum without any true concept of what PR or CSAR actually is, or what CSAR will look like in a MCO fight (oops @nittany03 I did it again).
You can wank all you want that I don't think Navy Rotary should waste their time focusing on this mission set, but...DUDE, your OWN community doesn't think you have a place in that world.
I know virtually nothing about PR at the tactical level. I just have a good amount of exposure to war games and forums that I've heard these types of discussions; so many times that even my dumbass has picked up on some common themes. I simply disagree that we'll be doing PR business as usual in, near, or IVO China in that kind of situation. Farther out, we may do it, but it won't be Navy helos. You seem like a well informed guy. Do you really disagree with that?
I think the broader point is what the navy “wants” to do in the next war and what is “has” to do are going to be two very different things. In Iraq I watched an entire operation, that took months to plan and prep for, turn into a rescue effort for a Kiowa crew. The whole thing changed for two guys. That PR might not be a “thing” isn’t relevant to the discussion. The day the news mentions that a downed pilot was left to be captured by the enemy is the day some unprepared HSM guy will stop looking for subs and start looking for downed pilots...much to their detriment.
Hidden somewhere in this discussion at higher levels is the idea that somewhere around 2035 or so humans won’t be riding strike aircraft so PR becomes less important. If we are able to reach that point then maybe manned HSM won’t be a thing either and this entire debate will be academic.
More command at sea opportunities for SWO Ensigns with their Utility Boats.
That was my initial thought. I think challenging even with 4. With that said, I can't count how many times I was "backup" to the C-2 for any number of LOG events; I suspect the V-22 will be more reliable than the current set of CODs we have nowadays.
3 Sierras plus a squadron of Romeos can handle that
I dunno, back when I was HS a lot of the time we’d use a trucked out 60F to haul trash and pull plane guard. I don’t think you can truck a 60R so it’ll be interesting to see how the overall utility mission will be handled in this case.
You can sorta truck a Romeo. ALFS comes out, and if you can pull the sonobuoy launcher, but you still don't have anywhere near F/H/S space. The two mission racks are still there, and we're limited to 4 seats.
The biggest issues with HSM as plane guard are that they're only billeted for 1 AWR per crew vice the 2 AW(S)s in HS/HSC, and of course, what a waste of the radar & ESM to fly low and close to Mom.
The biggest issues with HSM as plane guard are that they're only billeted for 1 AWR per crew vice the 2 AW(S)s in HS/HSC, and of course, what a waste of the radar & ESM to fly low and close to Mom.
As for learning CSAR TTPs, does the Navy send HSC pilots to embed with a USAF PJ squadron as a sort of liaison tour, to watch and learn and do?
If not, sending 1-2 HSC LTs each year to AFSOC would be a cheap and easy way to build capability without creating a new curriculum. I don’t see why AFSOC would turn it down, either, given their high optempo and the AF’s pilot shortage.
If not, sending 1-2 HSC LTs each year to AFSOC would be a cheap and easy way to build capability without creating a new curriculum. I don’t see why AFSOC would turn it down, either, given their high optempo and the AF’s pilot shortage.
Plus not all the Romeos are always "at" the carrier. How many are usually onboard? 4-5? I know it will depend if you have a second squadron supporting the ships within the CSG in an Exped manner, but it's certainly not a full-squadron. Add in scheduled Mx for the carrier Romeos, and that number goes down even more.
AF helo rescue squadrons are a part of ACC (air combat command), not AFSOC. Some PJ RQS units fall under AFSOC, but the hardware units don’t. They have in the past but not currently.
As to sending Navy guys as a liaison, yes, there are Navy guys flying with some AF helo units. It’s not a career enhancing assignment for the Navy dude and very little, if any, lessons learned from the AF are fed back to the Navy.