Tell that to the Marine Corps. Why do you think they send all their Officers to TBS, regardless of their future MOS?
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Shooting/qualification question
- Thread starter Spekkio
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Tell that to the Marine Corps. Why do you think they send all their Officers to TBS, regardless of their future MOS?
Why does the Navy makes all future officers march around with rifles? Tradition, I suppose. I don't pretend to know anything about the Marines, but aside from adding to the "warrior spirit," sending all O's to TBS probably isn't a financially sound practice.
Technically, yes it is required since an OOD may need to carry a weapon to stand watch depending on the Threat Condition.
However, it's also a question of how much the qual will satisfy you. If plinking ~45 rounds at a target twice a year is your idea of being qualified, the basic Navy qual will come free.
Any other weapons familiarization you get will involve you going the extra mile and bugging the right people for additional training.
It gets ugly when people think like that.
You can qualify out at ATP gun shop and range. I don't think it costs $150. The shop and range is located on College Park road out by Summerville. It is a really nice store and range. The range fee is $5 for the day, and you can rent guns / headgear there. They will also answer any questions you have, and should be able to help with proper form. I think they only do the qualifications on Saturday morning, but you can go practice anytime. Knowledge of firearms is very important regardless of if you need it for duty or not. Take full advantage of your constitutional rights!!
Spekkio
He bowls overhand.
I probably phrased the thread title wrong, since I made the wrongful assumption that Navy qualification actually came with some sort of real instruction.
As somewhat stated previously, my main goal is to learn how to properly handle and fire small arms well before ultimately purchasing one of my own and getting a CCW license.
I will look into ATP.
Ya, I'm still right though.
Dude, you are out of your element. I'd love to see you make that "TBS isn't a good fiscal choice" arguement to a Marine.
Donny,please.
There are plenty of stories of Marine outposts being overrun and cooks, etc. having to pick up a rifle and defend- one of the side effects of being an expeditionary force. Not to mention Marines guarding embassies, Marine pilot FACs, and other duties that might put an aviator in a non-aviation combat role.
I'm not a Marine, so someone who actually knows what they're talking about might be better suited to rebut this comment, but generally speaking the 'Every Marine a Rifleman' concept seems to be working...
Point taken. I put the disclaimer in my other post saying that I have no evidence to back that statement up. My post to BigRed was more to point out that even though it sucks that a lot of military matters come down to dollars and cents, that's just how it is.
P.S. I didn't say that TBS should be shortened or only for ground MOS's, just that it's not 'financially sound.'
P.S. I didn't say that TBS should be shortened or only for ground MOS's, just that it's not 'financially sound.'
So you admittedly don't know shit, but you still spout off. Well, since you admit you don't know TBS is effective or worth it, what makes it financially unsound? That it costs money? Flight school must be pretty damned financially unsound then, but then again, what do I know.
Well...flight school trains pilots to fly planes. TBS trains pilots in infantry-type skills (right?).
When you give someone training they don't really need, you're paying money to give them skills that won't pay off- bad investment.
I'm Navy option- I have no stake in the matter and could really care less if they got rid of TBS or extended it to 2 years. Don't get too worked up dude- I don't think the Commandant reads AW
When you give someone training they don't really need, you're paying money to give them skills that won't pay off- bad investment.
I'm Navy option- I have no stake in the matter and could really care less if they got rid of TBS or extended it to 2 years. Don't get too worked up dude- I don't think the Commandant reads AW
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Well...flight school trains pilots to fly planes. TBS trains pilots in infantry-type skills (right?).
When you give someone training they don't really need, you're paying money to give them skills that won't pay off- bad investment.
I'm Navy option- I have no stake in the matter and could really care less if they got rid of TBS or extended it to 2 years. Don't get too worked up dude- I don't think the Commandant reads AW
So why send Flight Surgeons through API, and put them in aircraft? API teaches pilot-type skills, right? You are still making a judgment on the utility of training that, you self-admittedly don't know shit about - especially regarding training we "don't really need". So STFU. You should have stopped at "I don't pretend to know anything".
TBS does not teach you "infantry-type skills". It teaches you how to be an infantry platoon commander. This serves as a basic guide to officership and leading Marines of all MOS's, and as a basic primer to the basic infantry operations that all Marines support.
You study Naval Science in NROTC, don't you? Why should you as an air contract study how to navigate at sea if you won't be driving ships?
No shit.
And my point is that when the standard for basic small arms competency fleetwide is dropped, people are gambling with lives.
If you ever see a group of fleet sailors who are technically "qualified" by Navy standards(and let's not even get into gundecking paperwork here) attempt high pressure shooting for the first time, it is frickin nasty. As in a semi competent bad guy with his gun out could kill 2 or 3 before the others could shoot him. I've seen "qualified" personnel who didn't know where the M9 mag release was.
We don't all need to be SEALs, but a basic level of competency would not take unreasonable amounts of training time. The Navy also has good schools for SRFs, with training at Blackwater, but commands don't always support sending people to them, even though the Navy already paid for the spots.