That's his job. Advocate for his clients to the fullest legal extent. I guarantee if your butt was in the docket, you'd want a pitbull defense attorney, too. Let's see what the Court-Martial says before rushing to judge.
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SEALs on Trial?
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That's his job. Advocate for his clients to the fullest legal extent. I guarantee if your butt was in the docket, you'd want a pitbull defense attorney, too. Let's see what the Court-Martial says before rushing to judge.
Which one? The suspense is killing me!
Guess it's only real news when it's from an approved source ... deemed a "news agency".
Try to stay focused ...
No doubt. I wasn't condemning him, just pointing out that the indignation over publicizing their names and faces may be misplaced, since the story certainly seems to be pitched as a "WTF is wrong with this case".
Word that filtered up here into Newport was that when the SEALs turned this guy over to the Iraqi authorities, he complained of assault.
The Iraqis referred the accusation to the U.S. leadership. The Americans are treating this as they would any other allegation of assualt since we are trying to get Iraq to embrace the Rule of Law. If we choose to ignore Laws because they are convienient, then we look like hypocrites.
By declining NJP, the SEALs are allowing the court system (and all the protections therein) to handle this. If it went to NJP, then the SEALs may not be allowed to face thier accuser there. By going to Court Martial then they have the opportunity to impune thier accuser; which shouldn't be difficult since he's a freakin terrorist....
The Iraqis referred the accusation to the U.S. leadership. The Americans are treating this as they would any other allegation of assualt since we are trying to get Iraq to embrace the Rule of Law. If we choose to ignore Laws because they are convienient, then we look like hypocrites.
By declining NJP, the SEALs are allowing the court system (and all the protections therein) to handle this. If it went to NJP, then the SEALs may not be allowed to face thier accuser there. By going to Court Martial then they have the opportunity to impune thier accuser; which shouldn't be difficult since he's a freakin terrorist....
I guess some folks have been watching too many episodes of "The Unit", and reading "Rogue Warrior". Wait, that's what I've been doing... damnit.
Random8145
Registered User
All those so-called 'news" organizations are very political. Fox News, New York Times, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, ABC, etc...Fox will make sure to point out stuff the others don't or mistakes they make, and they'll point out things Fox won't and mistakes it makes.
This might start teaching our special operators to take no one alive. This is going along with what Eric Holder was saying when he was asked would we give Osama miranda rights. When he replied "it depends," that seems to be telling about the way forward.
Since when has the NY Times been accused of reporting on the news in a non-bias manner. Of course its seems in recent history no one is reading that paper anyway so what does it matter.
Since when has the NY Times been accused of reporting on the news in a non-bias manner. Of course its seems in recent history no one is reading that paper anyway so what does it matter.
Not sure what to think about this, but it is disturbing that 3 seals were taken out of action and off of the battlefield because of what a terrorist said to the Iraqi forces. I understand that the rule of law must be followed and we are trying to set an example to other nations as well as do a little CYA for our global image; but it seems that we are giving to much credit to the words comming out of the detained terrorists mouths. There have been more than just this story on this subject and it seems as though our legal system and protections are being manipulated and used against us.
I have the utmost respect for those on the ground they deal with decisions I hopefully will never have to make. Its pretty hard to take prisoners from 20k feet.
I have the utmost respect for those on the ground they deal with decisions I hopefully will never have to make. Its pretty hard to take prisoners from 20k feet.
A lot of you are putting this into a "why do we believe what the terrorists say" box. I don't know if those are the right assumptions to make. I'm figuring that this goes beyond a simple "he said vs she said" problem. It's unwise (and not particularly helpful) to speculate in a case when the facts aren't known to us.
Brett
magnetfreezer
Well-Known Member
If there was any more to the story with justification for legitimate charges, etc. wouldn't the SEALs have taken the NJP instead of risking greater punishment (and a criminal record) from a court martial conviction?
We have no way of knowing that. These are all assumptions people have made. There are lots of good reasons to go the court matial route over NJP. Lack of solid prosecutorial evidence, wanting to prove a point to their CoC, or even to bring publicity into the equation are all possible reasons. As with all things, time will tell, but all of the speculation and chest thumping in this thread is a bit silly, IMO.
Brett
john_doza
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Thankfully someone has finally seen past past the big [headlines]
I think this will work out to the advantage of America. If the rest of the world see's that we are willing to go to a court martial trial in order to determine if any rules were broken, that speaks volumes for the commitment of this country to enforcing democracy.
Would it have been bettter left out of the press and courts? Yes, it should have been pushed under the rug.
One thing we know for sure: if the situation were reversed, the video of the beheading of the Seal(s) would have been shown on TV & throughout the world. So, IMHO, if the Seals didn't kill the fuc#er while in captivity, then we're well ahead of them on the scale of legal forbearance.