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NEWS Seahawks Sink Houthi Boats

Random8145

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Eh, I don't know. Both sides have been doing the proportionate-response Safety Dance for a while. This time around it feels different. Benny's been aching to go hard after the Iranian nuke program for years, but there were always cooler heads in the room to talk him down. Somebody tell me who the cooler heads are today. The moderate voices in his cabinet have departed for one reason or another over the last two years over the Hamas fiasco, and our crew over at State and Defense isn't exactly the A-Team these days. Our ambassador to Israel is Mike Huckabee, ffs.

Meanwhile Iran has its own domestic problems. There's been serious domestic unrest and strikes for months. Especially after the hits they've taken in Gaza, Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen, the absolute last thing the regime can do is afford to look weak in front of the populace and like it can't defend the country itself against the Zionist OccupiersTM. They've been playing up the nuke and missile programs to the country for the last twenty years as absolutely essential to Iran's survival, a symbol of its sovereignty, and that it was worth all the economic sacrifice and sanctions and hardships...not going to go well if they just sit back and let the IDF dismantle it now. I read some Arash-in-the-Street quote in an AP article today along the lines of, Our choice is either we fire our missiles at Israel, or surrender, and then they're just going to make us surrender our missiles anyway.

The White House will probably panic and start calling for a ceasefire once the markets really start to tank and oil prices shoot up - either the market will do it, or OPEC will - but then what? It looks like Netanyahu calls off the existential war of Israel's survival whenever Washington says so, and how's that going to play in the Knesset? The Israeli messaging this time around has been hard-line: when we're done, Iran will not have a nuke program anymore, full stop. Not "degraded," or "rolled back," but does not exist. So tell me how you back off of that with anything less.

The lid has been kept on all of this for years because there were always enough high-level decision makers who understood there was nothing to be gained by one side forcing the other's hand too far. This time, they're trying to play this game with bumper-sticker politics and pol-mil theory out of a fucking Tom Clancy novel.

In the quiet words of Gorgeous George: “This will get messy.”
If Iran was on the verge of getting nuclear weapons as has been reported, and given Israel's being attacked by Iran's terrorism proxies and Iran itself, how is this response a failure of cooler heads? One could argue the stars were aligned to attack now. Oct 7 changed everything and that was done with Iran's support. Now, Hezbollah and Hamas have been devastated, Assad in Syria is gone, a President is in office in America who is supportive of Israel, and according to the IAEA, Iran has been further enriching its uranium beyond needed levels for a civilian program.

Also how would a wider war break out? Like what exactly is Iran going to do? Israel has decapitated part of their military command and destroyed their air defense systems and parts of their missile launch systens. And Iran's attempts of late to launch missiles and drones at Israel have not been very successful due to American and Israeli defense systems.
 

AIRMMCPORET

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Israel just needs to "Cu De Gras" Iran, if Iran develops nukes the world as we know it will be a whole lot unsafer.

Yeah that’s gonna be messy, but Iran with nukes will be worse.

I just feel terrible for the general populace of Iran that doesn’t have a choice what its dictatorship government does.
 
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taxi1

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If Iran was on the verge of getting nuclear weapons as has been reported, and given Israel's being attacked by Iran's terrorism proxies and Iran itself, how is this response a failure of cooler heads? One could argue the stars were aligned to attack now. Oct 7 changed everything and that was done with Iran's support. Now, Hezbollah and Hamas have been devastated, Assad in Syria is gone, a President is in office in America who is supportive of Israel, and according to the IAEA, Iran has been further enriching its uranium beyond needed levels for a civilian program.

Also how would a wider war break out? Like what exactly is Iran going to do? Israel has decapitated part of their military command and destroyed their air defense systems and parts of their missile launch systens. And Iran's attempts of late to launch missiles and drones at Israel have not been very successful due to American and Israeli defense systems.
Put on your Ayatollah hat for a second, google on “millenarianism in Iran”, and think about all the things they could do if they wanted to watch the world burn. Ask yourself how much oil passes through the straits of Hormuz. Ponder on if they could make a dirty bomb. Or maybe they have a bomb. Any chem-bio?

Ideally, the caliphate will implode and Iran will moderate. Worst case, they bring the global oil economy to its knees. Most likely case? Iran muddles along with their nuke program kneecapped? I don’t know.

The fact that the timing may have been right doesn’t mean there aren’t bad potential outcomes. Be wary.
 

Faded Float Coat

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Put on your Ayatollah hat for a second, google on “millenarianism in Iran”, and think about all the things they could do if they wanted to watch the world burn. Ask yourself how much oil passes through the straits of Hormuz. Ponder on if they could make a dirty bomb. Or maybe they have a bomb. Any chem-bio?

Ideally, the caliphate will implode and Iran will moderate. Worst case, they bring the global oil economy to its knees. Most likely case? Iran muddles along with their nuke program kneecapped? I don’t know.

The fact that the timing may have been right doesn’t mean there aren’t bad potential outcomes. Be wary.
No doubt there are many many things they could do, and some could be really bad, but... there are a few other factors to keep in mind:

-Gulf nations have been lending various degrees of tacit support to Israel over the last several months
-It seems as if most/several neighboring gulf nations have tired of the Ayatollah's schtick and would really dig some stability
-It's not in any of their interests to see the SoH closed
-Shutting down the SoH probably doesn't do much to engender any new/more sympathy from oil dependent neighbors
-Iran could do it, but my guess is it would end up being an even more isolating and self-destructive move.

I'm not suggesting they dont have the means to make a mess (mines, FAC/FIAC/UAS), they clearly do, and maybe they will. I'm suggesting it might not have the effect they'd hope for.
 

Random8145

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Would Iran even be able to really close the Strait of Hormuz? I would think the U.S. Navy would reopen it. Granted that would pull us directly into the conflict.
 

taxi1

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It's not in any of their interests to see the SoH closed
I agree with all of the above in your post, but it really wasn’t in Europe’s interest to burn it all down in The Great War either. Things can spiral.

Now that it’s on, happy hunting to the Israelis.

Would Iran even be able to really close the Strait of Hormuz?
They could easily hugely jack up the risk of sailing anything through those waters. It is a shooting gallery.

The Houthis in their mud huts have heavily impacted traffic through the Red Sea and Suez Canal (impacting Egypt to the tune of $Billions), reductions of 50% or more I’ve seen. Marine insurance must be off the charts.

We move a bunch of assets to the Gulf from the Pacific, China makes its move…
 
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