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Rand study on USAF pilot retention

MIDNJAC

is clara ship
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TBH there is no reason a P-8 should have been anywhere near you. None what so ever. My pucker factor when operating close to the CSG is always insanely high, because we know we don't have extensive experience with the Airwing and are the fat/slow kids just looking to get into trouble. If a NMAC did actually occur, then the P-8 wasn't using their multitude of sensors correctly. The AC/MC always has the ability to knock off training because spidey sense says "this doesn't feel right" - sounds like they should have used that discretion.

That being said - if we get tasking to work in close to the ship, that's where we will be. I don't know if "we don't work for you" was an attitude problem (likely) or a rude way of saying "we report to a different CWC than you do so we apologize for being here but we can't move without authorization" (less likely). Both are possible though. I have never received the type of pre-flight deconfliction you've mentioned providing from a Strike Lead prior to a flight. That's not a statement about you/yours but more that the communication channels between your staff and our TOC have always had issues, as you mentioned.

I can attest to seven helmet's story as i was there too. That particular det was also just perpetually ruined by poor communication between all parties, one in particular. It was literally the worst 5 weeks of my life. I'm not even kidding. Unrelated to the P-8 scenario, how the marshall stack got put right in the middle of the red tanker track (as if the red actually needed a f**cking tanker in the first place), causing a NMAC of potentially 100' or less......jesus christ, you can't even make this up. And i absolutely don't put the blame on the shoulders of our air ops......there were people ("evaluators" if you will, was never sure exactly whom they were evaluating, much less if they were even qualified to do so) who should have been coordinating this stuff, literally onboard the ship, not talking to them........and then complaining that we didn't coordinate for them, by using information that we didn't have. There is a common theme, and it isn't the P-8.
 

Brett327

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This is what happens when some MBA in the DoD remembers reading about arbitrage in a book...
Is that even possible to mod an existing 737? Seems like that would be more effort than buying new.
 

Brett327

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If you can get it for $1,400 like its mentioned in the article - yea it's probably worth it. Or were you being serious?
Just a curiosity aside from the article. In theory, an F/A-18F can be converted to a Growler with an AEA kit. I presume the P-8 has to be built as such from the ground up.
 

xj220

Will fly for food.
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Anything is possible with the right amount of cash. In reality, I forgot where exactly the P-8 splits from the regular 737 production line but it’s fairly early on. The regular aircraft systems aren’t an issue and adding the sensors/crew stations aren’t bad either. The biggest hold up I’d see would be adding the weapon bay. But also, we don’t have the windows or dual overwing exists so there are other structural differences you’d have to overcome.
 

xj220

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It has -900 wings and mains. It’s essentially a BBJ and they’re all built on the same production line.
 

Angry

NFO in Jax
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It has -900 wings and mains. It’s essentially a BBJ and they’re all built on the same production line.

What he said. Could they slap on new wings, carve out some of the fuselage and put in a weapons bay? Yea, probably. Likely wouldnt be worth it though. They'd be better off buying them as bounce birds and letting the pilots screw them up through repeatedly crashing them into the ground vice doing it with places that have mission electronics permanently installed...
 
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