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PRIMEDIATE is here
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just wondering if anyone knows what is "average" for the new mpts syllabus? I know it's a 2-5 scale with 5 being the best... is MIF avg? for example.. if you finish with 1 above MIF in every maneuver/category is that good or avg? are 5's hard to come by? what kind of grades should u get for "jet grades" i.e. NSS > 50
The real answer: "no one knows"
The gouge-type answer:
Since the first JPPT class hasn't selected yet (at least I hope not, since I'm in it and still in RIs), it's tough to say how selection grades will work. StuCon can't give us solid answers so we have just been speculating that a 50 is still a 50 for jet-like purposes (even though a 53 seems to be the jet-cutoff du jour). For the numbers, 4 is "average" and 5 is "above average," but MIF is dependent on the stage of training. For early fams, MIF is usually around a 2, later fams, its a 3, PAs and RIs have a lot of 4 MIFs (it's all dependent on how far along you are -- the further along, the higher the MIF typically) They don't expect you to be well above average to something you've never seen, so MIF is usually low during the block it's introduced to you. As for getting 5 and such, it's totally subjective. Some instructors are MIF-masters, some are average, and some are Santa Clauses. The new way they've arranged it at 27 is to have students in a flight fly primarily with instructors in their flight. I think they did this in an attempt to standardize scores (but all it does is standardize it among that small class).
The best advice I can give you is this: Don't worry about your NSS. It's impossible to figure it out along the way, and if you figure out you're lower than you want to be, what are you going to do, try extra special harder? Just try your best along the way, ignore your grades (unless you're getting in trouble with them) and let the cards fall where they may. NSS calculation is PFM, not to be attempted by mere mortals.
Hey I have my PPL too, I was wondering if learning to fly in primary is anything like learning in civilian world. I'm mainly wondering if all the FAA rules in the FAM/AIR (I think that's it) are emphasized, like airspaces, charts, IFR, and other civilian regulations. When I was a student pilot half of the crap I learned was rules the FAA had. I see primary as learning how to fly the plane and more physical stuff. Am I right?
i think primary is different than getting your PPL... there are dozens of emergency procedures you have to know verbatim, and the T-34 is more involved than a cessna. You'll be expected to be much more knowledgeable about the systems too... like what instruments you'll lose if you have a #2 inverter failure in the rear cockpit... or trace a drop of fuel through the fuel system. So far the only FAA class i've taken is Flight Rules and Regulations (in API). You also have training in Formation flying, precision aerobatics, and extensive training in instruments. The pace is WAY faster too... the systems class is like 3-4 days long then you have a test all the systems of the T-34. On the second day of CPT's you are given a blindfold cockpit check.
Things like airspaces, charts, and civilian regs have not been emphasized to me yet and I'm halfway through primary. Though course rules are kind of a b*tch (especially in whiting). Here's an example of just one course rule you'll have to know verbatim to get back to homefield...
Recovery from Area 1:
Intercept the East/West power line slash west of the chicken ranch wings level at 3500'MSL at 170KIAS at no greater than 45 degrees angle of intercept. Establish 1/2 wing tip distance north of power lines heading East. Abeam chicken ranch contact PNS approach on CH5. Where RT90 intersects with power lines turn 050 heading toward where RT29 bends north (square mile pit) remaining north of cantonment paper mill. Turn north and fly over RT29 toward Molino (triangle of trees). Before triangle of trees turn 055 to Chumuckla and descend to 1700'MSL. If going to runway 23/32 head to point Delta by turning 050 at Chumuckla to PT initial. From Pt initial turn towards PT bravo heading 140. From PT bravo fly south along 191 to the east side and report PT delta in sight to PNS approach. 2 miles from PT delta expect to be handed off from approach to tower and switch CH2. Descend to 1300'. If going to runway 32 at PT Delta remain heading south along 191 and turn at the second red-dirt "Y" intersection remaining north of the bridge and langley road and line up pointed at the western most hangar of north field. pass between the control tower and runway 32 and break according to the FTI. (the "break" is how Navy aircraft lands... more of a racetrack pattern than a box patttern)
But the cool thing is after a few months of dragging a** you beging to pick up on all this stuff.
Things like airspaces, charts, and civilian regs have not been emphasized to me yet and I'm halfway through primary. Though course rules are kind of a b*tch (especially in whiting). Here's an example of just one course rule you'll have to know verbatim to get back to homefield...
Recovery from Area 1:
Intercept the East/West power line slash west of the chicken ranch wings level at 3500'MSL at 170KIAS at no greater than 45 degrees angle of intercept. Establish 1/2 wing tip distance north of power lines heading East. Abeam chicken ranch contact PNS approach on CH5. Where RT90 intersects with power lines turn 050 heading toward where RT29 bends north (square mile pit) remaining north of cantonment paper mill. Turn north and fly over RT29 toward Molino (triangle of trees). Before triangle of trees turn 055 to Chumuckla and descend to 1700'MSL. If going to runway 23/32 head to point Delta by turning 050 at Chumuckla to PT initial. From Pt initial turn towards PT bravo heading 140. From PT bravo fly south along 191 to the east side and report PT delta in sight to PNS approach. 2 miles from PT delta expect to be handed off from approach to tower and switch CH2. Descend to 1300'. If going to runway 32 at PT Delta remain heading south along 191 and turn at the second red-dirt "Y" intersection remaining north of the bridge and langley road and line up pointed at the western most hangar of north field. pass between the control tower and runway 32 and break according to the FTI. (the "break" is how Navy aircraft lands... more of a racetrack pattern than a box patttern)
But the cool thing is after a few months of dragging a** you beging to pick up on all this stuff.
Helo course rules are easy to those who went to whiting for primary...oh, hit that water tower, follow that road to the pond turn left to that bridge and make your call to spencer... but guys from corpus and vance seem to think it's the end of the world or something. there are 5 fields that you typically work, with 5 different entry routes. it's not too bad once you've seen it or done it.
BigWorm said:
Actually, just solo'd today. Damn good time, even though we were limited to what we can do. Basically me and my fam pard (co-pilot) flew out to an OLF. About the only things we could do was normal approaches, box patterns and 90 power-recovery autorotations. It was still a good time. After we hot-seated and I became the co-pilot, it sure felt wierd being in the left seat.
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