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- Thread starter scombs
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As far as the rack argument goes, if none of my pilots need to be in there during the flight, then they're fair game. However, if one of them needs it, they have priority. Obviously, on a two pilot flight it's a non-issue, however on longer ones (missions or really long repos) then it's theirs. Never ran into this issue in flight because it was a mutual understanding kind of thing. Plus, the crew usually passes out during transit so they get their sleep anyways.
I do equate being a pilot or FE to being in the mafia. "I could sleep somewhere else and not get my rest, but I'd sure hate for something bad to happen..."
I do equate being a pilot or FE to being in the mafia. "I could sleep somewhere else and not get my rest, but I'd sure hate for something bad to happen..."
That nose looks like it needs a shit-eating grin right under the 955...
Aww, common sense. And exactly what I posted earlier as the policies in my squadrons. On long missions where 3 pilots/ w FEs are required, it was theirs. Otherwise they were fair game. There was rarely ever any big issue (my story above being an exception) over the rack in my 4000+ P-3 hours. Mostly it was good natured ribbing amongst the crew flight station v. tube.
Hey Pickle,
My rack story above was your squadron 25 years ago....
Sounds about right... The only time I've ever had to bargain/barter for the rack was a 4-pilot repo from KNUW to OTBH...taking turns riding floor in between rack shifts...
No one said I was smart man... So is it in Natops or not? From what you guys were saying, it is, so why was the CO giving the guy a hard time?
Funny, everyone else calls that their Natops Check paperwork and designation letter.
I know it's not any one person's "fault," but it's amazing to see a community with MORE institutional inertia for the inane than LAMPS. Big patches stating random quals, IP quals, special names for standard quals... it's almost funny...but not really. And I mean that in a commiserating way, not a "you suck" way.
There was absolutely nothing in NATOPS concerning the bunks, at least not through 1996 when I last had the manual. It was something the pilots and FEs would always say but it was never there. Wishful thinking?
VP calls their NIs blue card holders. They even get a pocket sized blue card they can keep in their wallet.
Never give a NATOPS Check without it!
The worst part about it is admitting to yourself that you are now part of the problem.
The worst part about it is admitting to yourself that you are now part of the problem.
Same back in the '60s and '70s. My first job as a Chief was running the NATOPS office in a VP and I never saw anything on the bunks. It was always understood that on long flights the front office had priority if they wanted it. Was never really an issue.
Only time I ever heard anything about it was in the cabin brief when we flew ComNavAirPac and SecDef on a demo flight in the new Super B. PPC said something like "I don't have to say this but I will... Keep yer ass outa the bunks."