Shut up 3P, don't you have lunch to make?
Shut up Nav, don't you have an ops normal call to make?
Shut up 3P, don't you have lunch to make?
Except someone has to find the sub first, and then put the dipping helo in contact..... And that is historically the kick-ass P-3. But I agreed, once the dipper is in contact, it's better than the mighty DICASS buoy.
However, those dippers used to regualrly piss us off. We'd find, localize, track and hand the sub off to a dipper. The dipper would ping for a few minutes, launch a simulated torp and then just pull out of his hover saying "See ya, we're RTB!" without so much as a last range & bearing to the sub. Then they'd blame us for the lost contact....."We had them when we came out of the hover at offsta. We have know idea why the P-3 lost him."
P-3s were newer in my time, not as many problems.To be fair, my experience with P-3s is a time-late contact hand off (okay, maybe 75% of the time) and then the P-3 would have some sort random fire/gearbox malfunction
Should have trained you acoustic operators better so they'd recognize the contact.....and have to leave with us having to enter in a plethora of buoys into our system we didn't really know had any contact.
To be fair, we did a hell of a lot more ASW, both real world and training, then anyone in a squadron today could possible imagine. I probably have 400+ hours tracking Soviet subs and an equal number on U.S. or allied boats. The helo and S-3 guys didn't get anywhere near the time we did then, and I bet the helo guys still get less than the P-3s.
Heck in one flight off Juan de Fuca, I tracked 5 different Victor III on the same flight out of Whidbey Island during a 9 hour onsta with inital contact on 3 of them. The 1984-88 was a great time for ASW.
Afterall a dipping sonar will always yield to the ASW prowess of the mighty DICASS buoy....
Should have trained you acoustic operators better so they'd recognize the contact.....
To be fair, we did a hell of a lot more ASW, both real world and training, then anyone in a squadron today could possible imagine. I probably have 400+ hours tracking Soviet subs and an equal number on U.S. or allied boats. The helo and S-3 guys didn't get anywhere near the time we did then, and I bet the helo guys still get less than the P-3s.
Heck in one flight off Juan de Fuca, I tracked 5 different Victor III on the same flight out of Whidbey Island during a 9 hour onsta with inital contact on 3 of them. The 1984-88 was a great time for ASW.
We just randomly enterd the buoy on our scope and when the pilots marked on top of it, it would sync with our position. Easy.The far bigger problem is that with no link, one of the pilots had to enter in each buoy, one lat/long at a time. I always hoped for at least one buoy in contact so we could just enter that one and then put our own stuff in with our own plot.
Shut up 3P, don't you have lunch to make?
Sounds like someone trying to put an "I" in "team". Those pilots piss me off to no end. I've only met one or two, but they really made an impression.We had a PPC like that in my first squadron. He eventually lost his crew because it seemed no matter who the NFOs on the crew were, it always did badly. It did fine when it had a guest PPC....
We had a PPC like that in my first squadron. He eventually lost his crew because it seemed no matter who the NFOs on the crew were, it always did badly. It did fine when it had a guest PPC....