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OCS injury not getting any better..

snow85

Come on, the FBI would have given him twins!
sharp pains, eh?

weird, that you're telling them this.... and from what you say, it sounds like they're ignoring you. are they? how frequently are you going to rehab?

it sounds like you're not quite buying what they're telling you about soft tissue. (soft tissue, btw, is anything other than bone. so it's muscles, ligaments, tendons, and some even consider blood/blood flow to be part of 'soft tissue'.) i don't know your background, but i can tell this: if you think/feel that something isn't right, it probably isn't. if you don't know enough to determine whether it really is the soft tissue or not, it's time for you to ask tons of questions, and keep asking until you're satisfied with the answers. don't let them blow you off. not only are you paying them for a service, but they're medical professionals, and your doctor at least, is obligated by oath to be honest with you-- even if that means his/her answer is 'i don't know, but i think..... so these are the options....'

are your feet swollen at all?

sometimes fractures, especially ones as small as stress fractures, are latent in showing up. so you may not have had them in march, or they may not have registered on the bone scan, (this possibility is doubtful), but it's possible that you have them now. (or not... like feddoc said-- w/o being able to see, touch, and manipulate your feet, this is kind of difficult. we do, however, want to help you in getting the proper diagnosis and treatment.)

DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME:
only do this under the supervision of a licensed medical professional.

one surefire way to tell if you have fractures--

have your PT or Dr. put your foot in a tray/bucket of water, stick it in the water near your foot, and slowly ramp it to the right frequency. (i'm not going to tell you what this is, because i don't want you to try it yourself. ultrasound can cause serious burn damage if you're not using it correctly.) have them move it around your foot-- do NOT touch your body with the ultrasound. they'll know what a 'safe' distance is.

if you have fractures of any kind, even ones that don't show, (the water being a major conductor), the ultrasonic current will literally drive you through the roof. you'll probably cry, and it will be different from any type of pain you've ever felt before. but you'll live-- don't worry about that. if, however, you have no fractures, you won't feel anything at all.

(i've personally been giddy with anticipation, right before the ultrasound was turned on. it's a real nail-biter.)

feddoc's right-- don't do your own taping. that's really hard, even if you know what you're doing. additionally, if you have a friend do it, make sure one of the two of you knows what's going on-- a bad tape job can cause more injuries, and is worse than no tape at all.

i'll try to pm you later on this weekend. i've got some questions for you.

i know you're hurting and frustrated, but hang in there.
 

stevo01

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well, The Physical Therapist is refereing me to a Podiatrist...with recomendations for Orthotics. This is good, but that shows I just waisted 2 months trying and actually visiting the PT. Great, no answer from him, so push me off to the next guy in line. Wish me luck
 

squeeze

Retired Harrier Dude
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you realize a podiatrist isn't a real doctor, don't you? much like a chiropractor. If they're stress fractures, wouldn't an osteopath/orthopedist be the logical choice?
 

stevo01

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squeeze said:
you realize a podiatrist isn't a real doctor, don't you? much like a chiropractor. If they're stress fractures, wouldn't an osteopath/orthopedist be the logical choice?



Im not sure if that is correct, ?

I have had a negative bonescan a while back.....but My personal opinion, do not believe the results were completly accurate.

The ortho said"well, what do you want me to do" ....exact words, so here i am 3 months later and still have the same pains i had during the start of the 6th week of OCS...
 

stevo01

Registered User
well today is june 16, found out that the earliest visit to the Podiatrist will be....July 11....awesome how tricare works...

so what do i do mean while? who knows.
 

Tulman737

Registered User
I'm with you steveo01, i talked to you over at marineocs.com, I am the one with the broken leg. TRICARE is crap, I keep getting the run-around, they told me to go to a civilian doc, and now they are telling me to go to a military base that is 50 miles away, and i can't drive because of my leg. My OSO has never had an NOE, so he is learing as he goes as well. I have spoken to 5 different phone numbers and the military base that I am supposed to go to has never even heard of NOE, just LOD.

I thought the military was supposed to be organized and efficient, but what I have seen so far has been nothing but an unorganized, inefficient mess.
 

snow85

Come on, the FBI would have given him twins!
steveo01--

that basic quote from your ortho-- makes me wonder if he got his md from a cracker jack box. what do you want him to do? i'll make you a list that you can drop at his feet, and he can watch it roll across the office. then he'll have clearer picture of what to do.

i'd get a second opinion from an orthopedist, again, considering what your goals are, someone who specializes in sports med. it bothers me that you're seeing a podiatrist, and that you have to wait for so long. both, in their independent rights, are rediculous.

you can actually break a bone, wait a few weeks, and still have a negative bone scan. it's pretty common. usually there are follow ups-- have you had any more scans or x-rays? mri?

three months and no improvement warrants another scan, another dr., another opinion.

where in tejas are you? i might be able to actually help you out with this one. pm me.
 

stevo01

Registered User
well, Went to Podiatrist(was a licensed MD) ..Have to wear a boot for a few weeks, not activity..etc.

Said I had lots for old fractures from the looks of the x rays he took.

Told me to persue other dreams, bc it looks like its just gonna happen again once i go back...but, i know this time to stay out of medical. (you dont go, they cant send you home)..

we shall see laters..stevo
 

lowflier03

So no $hit there I was
pilot
Sounds like some good advice from everyone. Definately get the Orthodics. That will help keep the stress fractures from coming back. (Because they will help your feet work correctly and not pronate, etc.) When I had stress fractures from running too much, I had to force my doctor to give me a bone scan. He tried to just do the x-ray and call it a day. However most stress fractures can only be seen in a bone scan. So if you are in doubt about the results, have another one done. Taping will help if its done correctly, and I even had some shock type therapy on my shin to keep the muscles from aggravating it.
 

stevo01

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lowflier03 said:
Sounds like some good advice from everyone. Definately get the Orthodics. That will help keep the stress fractures from coming back. (Because they will help your feet work correctly and not pronate, etc.) When I had stress fractures from running too much, I had to force my doctor to give me a bone scan. He tried to just do the x-ray and call it a day. However most stress fractures can only be seen in a bone scan. So if you are in doubt about the results, have another one done. Taping will help if its done correctly, and I even had some shock type therapy on my shin to keep the muscles from aggravating it.

very true..good info.
They dont want to mess with the bone scan.. much work for them i guess.

The podiatrist i just visited said that a bone scan was not the best at looking for small fractures, and that the best test would be the CT scan. Im hoping the orthotics will help in my case.
 

T-man

Registered User
When I went to the doc for my shin, he did an X-ray and then turned around and ordered an MRI, skipped the bone scan all together. X-ray, as mentioned before, didn't reveal anything. However, the MRI revealed that, while not fractured, my tibia definitely had a soft spot like a bruise and was probably on the verge of a fracture.
 

stevo01

Registered User
well, I got fitted for orthotics the other day. I thought it was a pressurized computer analysis? i stuck my foot in to some foam pads and that was it? nto to high tech if you ask me...any who,
Have a MRI and a CT scan tomorrow. Dont know why both, but thats "what the dr ordered"
 

T-man

Registered User
stevo01 said:
well, I got fitted for orthotics the other day. I thought it was a pressurized computer analysis? i stuck my foot in to some foam pads and that was it? nto to high tech if you ask me...any who,
Have a MRI and a CT scan tomorrow. Dont know why both, but thats "what the dr ordered"


Let us know what they find.
 

ip568

Registered User
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This may sound harsh, but the service uses injuries to eliminate some candidates since they have more than they need. Sucks, I know. You should at a minimum see a specialist even if you have to pay. The Navy/Marines value motivation above almost anything else.

Good luck.
 
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