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OCS attrition

Catmando

Catmando

Keep your knots up.
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When I signed up many decades ago as an AVROC during my sophomore year in college, I took a complete flight physical. I failed because of a bad football injured knee. The recruiters said I could continue in the program only if I had a civilian orthopedic specialist to certify (on my own dime) that I could pass the physical demands of AOCS and beyond.

So I found a civilian doctor and he hesitatingly signed the waiver.... but said the Navy would never accept me because of another medical anomaly I had at the time. Thankfully his waiver got me in, and his prognostication proved wrong.

For me, when I got to AOCS in Pensacola, their NAMI physical – outside of the brain scan stuff and others – was less than I got during my entrance to the AVROC program at NAS Olathe. But times do change, don't they?
 
OnTopTime

OnTopTime

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Pugs said:
OK, during AOCS (myself being 09-87) condition 1a applied. The only upside was that we did those flight physicals were done at NAMI so folks that were whammied found out pretty quickly. I don't recall the actual attrition numbers but at one point my starting class of 60 was down to 20 and we graduated 35 IIRC. I went there as an NFO and retired as an NFO and frankly I think that short of some odd one's the tacair NFO may be the rarest of all Naval Air designators and I'm proud to have done it.
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Hey Pugs, you and I were at AOCS together; I was 06-87 the whole way. We started with 50-something, rolled a bunch and had a few DORs (including one of my roommates, who got pussy whipped by his girlfriend over the holiday break), but with others rolling in, we still graduated with 48. We were told that our class was unusually large.
 
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jtmedli

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Catmando said:
For me, when I got to AOCS in Pensacola, their NAMI physical – outside of the brain scan stuff and others – was less than I got during my entrance to the AVROC program at NAS Olathe. But times do change, don't they?
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The flight physical at OCS in Newport was a DQ-fest for the docs and I'm guessing it still is. My class only had a few guys get through scott-free and the other 10-12 of us aviation guys were stuck waiting on waivers forever. My PRK waiver didn't come in until literally 24hrs before I was supposed to grad/commission.

My class started with 95-ish and we graduated 63 (including the 5 or 6 that rolled in). I know for a fact that we had at least 5 DORs (as in 'fuck this, I quit') in each company in the first week. FWIW, I was in 05-11 (Oct10-Jan11).
 
PropStop

PropStop

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jtmedli said:
The flight physical at OCS in Newport was a DQ-fest for the docs and I'm guessing it still is. My class only had a few guys get through scott-free and the other 10-12 of us aviation guys were stuck waiting on waivers forever. My PRK waiver didn't come in until literally 24hrs before I was supposed to grad/commission.

My class started with 95-ish and we graduated 63 (including the 5 or 6 that rolled in). I know for a fact that we had at least 5 DORs (as in 'fuck this, I quit') in each company in the first week. FWIW, I was in 05-11 (Oct10-Jan11).
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Started with 95?! Wow, classes are much bigger now. Are they less frequent?
 
Angry

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Nimitz hall rooms are "dorm style" - two to a room with 12 p-ways on two decks, the bottom floor of the building is reserved for staff offices and the like. OCS has a dedicated chow hall entrance but the building is shared with the rest of the OTCN populace, although its generally understood that the side facing the Bay is reserved for OCS classes. The new building is supposed to be complete sometime before the end of the fiscal year, at which time they will bulldoze the current Nimitz and start construction on a new King Hall.
 
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jtmedli

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BCotroneo said:
Nimitz hall rooms are "dorm style" - two to a room with 12 p-ways on two decks, the bottom floor of the building is reserved for staff offices and the like. OCS has a dedicated chow hall entrance but the building is shared with the rest of the OTCN populace, although its generally understood that the side facing the Bay is reserved for OCS classes. The new building is supposed to be complete sometime before the end of the fiscal year, at which time they will bulldoze the current Nimitz and start construction on a new King Hall.
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They should be building an indoor track/workout facility. PT at that place blows in the winter. I got so sick of running laps in Nimitz hall and I didn't even have to do nearly as much as the other classes.
 
Angry

Angry

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jtmedli said:
They should be building an indoor track/workout facility. PT at that place blows in the winter. I got so sick of running laps in Nimitz hall and I didn't even have to do nearly as much as the other classes.
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I 100% agree with you - unfortunately it isn't going to happen. This was probably the #1 frustration of both graduates and staff up at OTCN during our out briefs, but the gym fits the requirements for an "indoor PT facility" so there won't be a new one anytime soon. Personally, I think they could throw up one of those bubbles around the football field for a lot less than the cost of a new facility, but that field technically belongs to NAPS, not OTCN, so they can't.
 
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jtmedli

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BCotroneo said:
I 100% agree with you - unfortunately it isn't going to happen. This was probably the #1 frustration of both graduates and staff up at OTCN during our out briefs, but the gym fits the requirements for an "indoor PT facility" so there won't be a new one anytime soon. Personally, I think they could throw up one of those bubbles around the football field for a lot less than the cost of a new facility, but that field technically belongs to NAPS, not OTCN, so they can't.
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Oh yes..the "different pot of money" argument. Pretty sure we've heard this one before. What should matter is that it belongs the fucking NAVY. OR....we could just move OCS back to Pcola and solve the problem all together.
 
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