Navy Reserve COVID Vaccinations by October

[Flash]

Saying all disciplinary actions are on the table is a statement intended to scare folks into submission. A.K.A., a threat. The threats my CO have given are just a more exact elaboration on what disciplinary actions could be taken.

You can say that about the UCMJ and orders in general if you want to be that broad.

Sure, that justification can be used for sea-going billets. If that were the goal, it could be a part of one's pre-deployment physicals. But military leadership isn't mandating the vaccine... that's Biden. Military leadership are, however, deciding to require it for folks separating within 180 days (the only vax these individuals can be required to get in this time frame), to deny exemptions, and to threaten severe punishments. Tell me again how requiring my friend, who will be on terminal leave when the mandate deadline expires, helps Navy readiness by getting the vax on his way out?

It does nothing for the military when a very significant portion of the force would not be deployable on short notice, and would not be for up to a month or more if folks had to get most of the vaccines available to deploy (two shots with a two week period afterwards for full efficacy).

Readiness is not only about worldwide deployability though and includes ensuring the entire force is as healthy and ready to perform their duties in general no matter where they happen to be in the world.

Finally, the military was moving forward with mandating the vaccine well before the President mandated it.

 

[ea6bflyr]

It'd be "General under Honorable Conditions" which is not the same as honorable. There's a loss of benefits (GI Bill).

Ok, I had missed that distinction. Thanks.

Found this handy chart. It doesn’t have any references on it as to the source, but it shows the differences.

 

[wink]

Found this handy chart. It doesn’t have any references on it as to the source, but it shows the differences.
View attachment 32942

Thanks for the chart. I frequently have to explain discharge codes and benefit status to Mrs Wink's paralegals. I sent around an email hoping to explain, but this is much better.

 

[FrankTheTank]

They're about to get a rude awakening that they don't get to make the rules at an individual level.

Do you have any senior religious leaders (e.g. Cardinals, Bishops, etc.) saying that taking the covid19 vaccine is against the faith?

Here you go!
https://www.military.com/daily-news...-covid-vaccine-first-deadline-approaches.html

 

[Pags]

Here you go!
https://www.military.com/daily-news...-covid-vaccine-first-deadline-approaches.html

But only for J&J due to stem cell association if I read the article correctly?

 

[taxi1]

But only for J&J due to stem cell association if I read the article correctly?

I heard mRNA is made from kittens

 

[Pags]

I heard mRNA is made from kittens

Just like tennis rackets and violin strings.

 

[wink]

Here you go!
https://www.military.com/daily-news...-covid-vaccine-first-deadline-approaches.html

Neither the article, nor the Catholic church says getting the vax is against the faith. Even Bishop Broglio encourages Catholic servicemembers to get the jab.

 

[FrankTheTank]

The actual statement. Sounds like he says if somebody doesn’t want it then the shouldn’t be obligated to get it. Quote “Accordingly, no one should be forced to receive a COVID-19 vaccine if it would violate the sanctity of his or her conscience”
https://files.milarch.org/archbishop/abp-statement-on-covid19-vaccines-and-conscience-12oct2021.pdf

 

[SlickAg]

Hmm...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1448710681310662656

 

[UInavy]

“Accordingly, no one should be forced to receive a COVID-19 vaccine if it would violate the sanctity of his or her conscience”

‘sanctity of his or her conscience’ is doing quite a bit of work there.

The Bishop refers to these as ‘those who raise earnest, conscience-based objections’. The process for religious accommodation allows for an examination by a religious professional to determine the sincerity of beliefs for the service member. The operational side then states the operational impact if granted. Two distinct and separate evaluations.

Not to speculate too much, but the Catholic Church isn’t known for immediate and unexamined acceptance of ‘new’ members. They’re…… inquisitive at times. I don’t see this being used a large amount.

 

[ABMD]

Looks like there's an exception for folks who are actively pursuing a religious exemption to allow that process to play out.

As a data point it looks like .

I heard mRNA is made from kittens

And baby seals, but humanely harvested baby seals.

Looks like I'll be in line at Portsmouth getting my Fauci ouchie this weekend!

 

[Treetop Flyer]

Hmm...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1448710681310662656

Suicide isn’t contagious and those sailors were still deployable until they killed themselves so readiness

 

[SlickAg]

Suicide isn’t contagious and those sailors were still deployable until they killed themselves so readiness

Remember when there were no deployments, no underways, and ships just stayed in port and airplanes stayed on the ground until we were able to vaccinate everyone to a state of acceptable readiness? I’m glad we can finally start being a seagoing (and flying) Navy again.

 

[wink]

The actual statement. Sounds like he says if somebody doesn’t want it then the shouldn’t be obligated to get it. Quote “Accordingly, no one should be forced to receive a COVID-19 vaccine if it would violate the sanctity of his or her conscience”
https://files.milarch.org/archbishop/abp-statement-on-covid19-vaccines-and-conscience-12oct2021.pdf

Correct. That does not mean the Church says, or Broglio thinks getting the jab is "against the faith". It means that he believes there should be accommodation for moral objections, religious or not. He is clearly nudging the military to be more generous with waivers. That is about it.