No. Basically active duty full-timers, but part of the Reserve Component. For all intents and purposes they're the same as any other active duty cat, but they (mostly) are assigned to Reserve units and have a different career track.
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This is true of all the reserve components including the army and air guard. You can actually get 20 years worth of points and end up close to the same retirement pay…but you aren’t going to see that money until you hit 60.
We have an amazing senior enlisted Reservist who was a city metro cop who applied and was accepted to FBI Academy - we put him on AD to cover his employment gap for a year while the red tape of his academy start date was resolved after he resigned from his metro police job. It was refreshing to see the AF back this 100%
Uncle Fester already hit the highest points but yeah, it’s essentially the full time reserve managers. Different (but in some ways same) career track and supposed to be more flexibility. Unfortunately from what I hear it’s been creeping more and more towards just regular Navy over the years. I still think it’s been better from my experience, but it’s not as good a deal as it once was.
Mileage definitely varies depending on your community and command. Overall I think it’s a good way to go for folks who want to stay on active duty and enjoy the pay/benefits that come with it, but have found that the Sea/Shore duty grind isn’t for them for whatever reason.
As a possible COA, I could imagine something like NPC holds Senior Officer Definite Recall (or whatever) boards once or twice per FY. Open to O-5s and O-6s with between x and y years total active duty (like, more than 11 or 12 but less than 15 or 16) who are willing to commit to Z years recall, or “no more than Z” years, with he understanding that at the end of the recall they’re at 20+ total AD time and are entitled to a regular retirement. Number to be selected dependent on needs of the Navy.
Navy gets to fill some of the billets that need senior, Fleet-experienced bubbas but maybe aren’t the most career-enhancing. NMCC / MOC watchfloor type jobs, say, or maybe some staffs or schoolhouses. Regular AD dudes don’t have to jump on those grenades or get yoinked off to an IA. And the Reserve dudes earn a regular retirement.
The Guard takes off a day of age 60 for each day you are deployed overseas, in 90 day increments. That, with some AGR time got me 53% at just past my 58th birthday. Does the Navy Reserve do that too?
The Army National Guard wasn't a bad way to finish out. The deployments were austere with real combat and staying in CHUs and tents, but I did stay in the cockpit the whole time flying Black Hawks and did some neat missions. I intentionally ditched AGR status before 20 AD to be eligible to use my AD buy back to get a FERS retirement as well. I ended with 7664 military retirement points and 23.5 years of FERS (GS-12/13) retirement.
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My friend, we've been doing IAs so long, they're now a Navy tradition.
😬Isn't it possible to train SWOs or sub guys to do some of those jobs? I know quite a few of each who would have loved to learn how to be shooters or arresting gear dudes. It can't be that hard to teach non-pilot types how to do it could it?
This would make sense. When I was at 6th Fleet, we were always hurting for MOC watchfloor personnel and battle watch captains. Nobody wanted that job or the N33 job in charge of all of them because the hours sucked and you were constantly in a FLAILEX to answer the FOGOs' or SECDEF's questions and build the 1,111th storyboard slide for some captain somewhere. They eventually started poaching us JOs from the various offices to stand nightwatches.
The Navy does this as well. I think it was actually made official DoD policy a few years ago in one of the NDAAs.
Eh. If you get 20 years worth of AD points you get an AD retirement that you start collecting right away. Plenty of folks retiring here off of not just AGR, but MPA, ADOS, STAT, and Temp AGR orders and they're collecting retirement pay and benefits right away.
Now if you want to double dip and get two retirements you have to play a different game. But then you have to stay in the military until you're 60.
I’m not sure putting SWOs in will work. Cats and A/G are not under the JFMM, they follow the NAMP. TBH, I would not want someone who grew up under the JFMM running Cats and A/G.My friend, we've been doing IAs so long, they're now a Navy tradition.
Isn't it possible to train SWOs or sub guys to do some of those jobs? I know quite a few of each who would have loved to learn how to be shooters or arresting gear dudes. It can't be that hard to teach non-pilot types how to do it could it?
This would make sense. When I was at 6th Fleet, we were always hurting for MOC watchfloor personnel and battle watch captains. Nobody wanted that job or the N33 job in charge of all of them because the hours sucked and you were constantly in a FLAILEX to answer the FOGOs' or SECDEF's questions and build the 1,111th storyboard slide for some captain somewhere. They eventually started poaching us JOs from the various offices to stand nightwatches.
The Navy does this as well. I think it was actually made official DoD policy a few years ago in one of the NDAAs.
Second, PERS 41 struggles to fill the conventional 1110 billets on a CVN. They wouldn’t fill the additional billets even if 1110s wanted to do it.
I’m sure it’s probably been discussed, but a LDO option might make more sense. Assessments would have to increase
Didn’t used to be that way. When I retired you could make 20 year points, but not go right into retirement. There was a NGB policy then that might have been cancelled.
Calling balls and strikes here but, this is one area where the Marines do it relatively well. IAs are usually fed out of MEF billets and not HQMC/M&RA. Therefore shielding the manpower drain from TECOM. You would never see a TECOM IP get pulled (unless you volunteered, w/ blessing of your COC) for an operational IA in the Marines. Generals and staffs tend get finicky when you steal their manpower.
Agreed (reserve activations also help with the IA piece). Something I’ve also learned I took for granted is the Marines are shockingly cool about B-billet/MSR management especially compared to the Navy. It is very, very easy to ride out a CNATRA / FRS tour to greener pastures should you so choose to.
There is a difference between 20 years worth of AD points, and 20 years worth of reserve points. RDUs, AFTPs, and any inactive duty orders don't count towards that 20 years (that is, until you get 20 years of AD points, then they all count... which is weird).
I suppose it's so much easier these days will all of the Title 10 MPA, ADOS and STAT orders flying around.
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It's not uncommon for the security element to be non-SOF. That doesn't mean he had any business being there, but he found a way to tag along and found some level of satisfaction in doing so.
I agree. Back in 2011, when I retired from the Guard, NGB would not let an individual (traditional guardsman) get to sanctuary. Basically, the Title 10 and ADOS stuff just stopped for that person. I ‘ll also note that Air Guard may have been a very different animal, what with all those jets and stuff.
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