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My thoughts on flight school

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E5B

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46Driver said:
5 reasons I have seen over the years:

5) Working as a crew - its fun to have the CrewChief and Aerial Observer on board working as a team - not something you get in the Cobra.


This is one of the reasons studs want Assault Support. I forgot to mention that earlier. The 2 flights we had with a crewman were good training. I wish we had more.


Then again, you get those people that just want to Kill people no matter what (towbubba) and that's the only reason for wanting Cobras...lol
 

skidkid

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Then again, you get those people that just want to Kill people no matter what (towbubba) and that's the only reason for wanting Cobras...lol[/QUOTE]


God bless us every one!!!!

Oh and we dont just kill people, we break their toys too
 

towbubba

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API- If you were like me in college you bastardized the system to get into a position to kill people and break their stuff. What I mean is I was a poor student who worked too many jobs and played rugby and had a wife so I didn't develope the proper study habits but API makes it hard to fail even for an average stud like me. It is also a little hard to see the importance in the material for some. If you are slated to go to Corpus and know you want helos I recommend talking to Capt Thrall and changing that to Whiting so you don't have to move. If you get slated to go to Vance and train with the chAir Force and want helos go and don't ***** out loud it is a cool opportunity to fly a jet but learn your EP's notes warnings and cautions by memory even when they tell you not to, this will help you later. Other than that E5B had a great account of API and since he did better than me I won't add much to it but it is as hard to fail a test as it is to get 100 so don't worry. As long as you keep your mind engaged in the lectures, ask questions as soon as they arise and do ALL the practice questions and get into study groups with somone who has some gouge you'll be alright. All in all it was fun and the last two weeks are a blast. Don't spot the deck during your PLF's.
Primary- Well I had a great onwing too VT-2's Maj Griffin. Fam advice remains the same as E5B with regard to the EP's but I would caviat that by saying a heavy understanding of systems will make the EP's make sense and thereby easier to understand and remember. Make your own gouge sheets for each system and place the EP's for that system on the sheet with the notes, warnings, and cautions. Draw your systems and use the molecule to explain them i.e. I am a molecule of oil where do I go and take it all the way through the system then study the EP's for that system. Make another gouge sheet with all the a/c limitations airspeeds, demensions, performance, weights, limitations and take it all from the NATOPS. Use NO gouge going through Primary. I prepared for briefs by getting the kneeboard card with the discuss items looking through all the pubs for info and writing it all out on a sheet of binder paper. Takes about 2 hours and then shut the books and study your notes like it was a speech you will need to give without reference to your notes. stay a flight ahead just so you can ask IP's questions about the next brief without penalty but make sure these are questions you attempted to answer through study on your own. I liked Fams but I am sick, and in the pattern if you had a $hitty final you f'ed up your 90 if you have a bad 90 you screwed up your 180 and if you're rushed in the downwind you ballooned in the break other than that "Power...flat, power....flare and the bird no kidding lands itself. I landed that thing on fam 2 once and from fam 3 on I never had any problems but I will say I have pretty good monkey skills. PA's were fun but I was scared and uninterested in them at first. Took me two solos to sack up a loop now I would love to take a fixed wing up and spin the $hit out of it. Forms were of course the most fun and don't accept a "shot gun solo" if you can help it because the form solo was the most rewarding flight in primary or advanced, please believe that. RI's what can I say except do every practice problem you get and make flash cards for your proceedures, in the sim fly the trim wheel but never admit to it. I also recommend car pooling and when you drive which should be fast yet safe have your co-pilot ask you random EP's and if you can't say them without pause while weaving in and out of cars you might pass the brief but will screw them up in the plane when they might really count. I also recommend using any down time BEFORE primary to decide what pipeline you want and stick to that, and the way you pick is by looking at the different missions of each community. I will also say to throw out the CDI factor(Chicks Dig It) and there is no glory in twin engine jets because we don't dogfight anymore and ask a grunt who he wants off station they are the only thing that matters in the Corps. However you want to help them is what determines what you want to fly. After all this soul searching tactfully state this to your onwing and then don't worry about it they will get you were you want to go and take that person on your cross country for 10 x's. As long as you are a squared away stud your grades will reflect where you want to go, get it? I needed to be under a 52 to avoid the jet draft and I got a 51.5 thanks again Maj Griffin. Ask for recommendations from IP's like your onwing at selection time.
Advanced Helos- Well if this is what you wanted, congrats. If not you will after you hover, and if you still don't want it suck it up buttercup because any monkey can drive fast in 3D but a helo pilot is both the angel of mercy and the minister of death. Now your briefs take hours not minutes and you have a fam partner to brief with. It is always you knuckleheads vs the IP. Never screw your fam partner in briefs and study together. My fam partner and I studied about 7 hours a day of which 5 were very focused. You now need to know why EP's are the way they are and you should think like this when you study because you will be asked. Fams were much more fun in the helo because you are expected to suck. No one is a "natural" helo pilot. Helo pilots are peculiar animals and always pesimistic thinking that if things haven't go wrong they will. Tactics were alot of fun and BI's required almost no study after the first on. Memorize all the checkpoints in the oscar pattern and learn gouge power settings for the sims. RI's weren't as bad as I thought they would be but it was precisely my apprehension to the discuss items that made RI's so easy I overstudied to the point where I enjoyed spending hours in the OPNAV and NATOPS and FAR/AIM. I became like on of those gym rats who loves to look at himself in the mirror at the gym in that I was obsessed with knowledge. How many milligrams of caffine can you have, can you fly if you're pregnant, requirements for standard IFR, special IFR, yearly mins and monthly max, airspace, cloud clearances, fuel plans, flight plans, categories of approaches. I recommend finding Capt Berrigan in HT-8 he is THE BEST IP IN HT'S! He will motivate you and make you a very proffessional aviator especially in RI's. His kneeboard method sets the standard for organization and cansistancy. And low levels are a blast but nothing holds a candle to forms. I could go on but I am rambling now. I hope some of this helps you and I realize I too used alot of terms and acronyms so if you have any questions please ask I have plenty of time as does E5B but if you are in high school or college or a Marine and not through TBS this isn't good information for you.
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And E5B I hope you get skids we came a long way together and it's fitting we should get pinned together. Later devil.
 

aviatorshade

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hWhaaa,,Congratulations E5B and Towbubba, it seems you warriors always were in love with helos, but nobody's perfect. Oh and Tow, believe me when I say Hakmeeb and his cronies fear the fastmover; or any other flying contraption that will turn them into teeth, hair, and eyeballs. Enjoy your Christmass break and let me know how final selection goes. -Catfish
 
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Good god, ever hear of the "ENTER" key?

Kidding, kidding. No, I'm not.

Good posts guys.
 

airwinger

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Hmm, I had a different perspective with regards to gouge. I've done reasonably well so far, and in primary I lived off navygouge.com, by now the IP's probably know all that stuff is out there, so it might not be the edge it once was, but I remember getting 5's for my briefs for quoting Navygouge.

In primary looking back the two most important things you can focus on are landings and instruments. In fams, you may do the best HAPL's and approach turn stalls, but the IP knows that the chances of you doing a LAPL are infinitely lower than having to land after taking off:) Instruments were about half the program when I did it, and honestly the only reason not to get good instrument grades is you are lazy. GET IN THE SIMS!!

Hmm if you liked the primary form solo, go jets, lots of form solos, day, night, 4 plane, guns,tactical formation and eventually ACM and lowlevel form solos!!.
 

E5B

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Thanks for the input Towbubba. I was looking for someone to comment on Primary at North Whiting, so that worked out nicely. Now future SNA's have a Corpus and Whiting point of view for Primary.

There's a couple of folks on here I'd like to thank for helping me out before I got to TBS and flight school.

Jarhead
Frumby
Rainman
JBoomer
Q-Ball
46Driver
Phrogdriver

Thanks fellas, I'm sure I annoyed the heck out of you at times with all my questions but y'all always had an answer or opinion for me.


airwinger said:
Hmm if you liked the primary form solo, go jets, lots of form solos, day, night, 4 plane, guns,tactical formation and eventually ACM and lowlevel form solos!!.

Using your jet propaganda to pollute a helo oriented thread.....good to go, Airwinger!

Shoudn't you and Jboomer be winged and flying hornets by now, y'all were in flight school before I started TBS. I'm winging with a Charlie Company guy from your company, and there are a few behind me too. One guy just got here from jet land, he got about half way through the program and decided he was just too dang big for that cockpit. Not sure if that was his decision or the squadrons.
 

towbubba

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airwinger said:
Hmm if you liked the primary form solo, go jets, lots of form solos, day, night, 4 plane, guns,tactical formation and eventually ACM and lowlevel form solos!!.
Thanks for the advise. I'm not sure but I don't think I can transition to the jet pipeline from here. I think I outgrew my Tommy Cruise wanna-be phase about the same time I quit having someone cut my steak for me at dinner.

And yes jet school looks like alot of fun I am glad for my friends that wanted jets but it's a long time, and when was the last time we were dogfighting on a regular basis? That's what I thought. I would like to see what I hit and spend some time off the boat and escort Marines into a zone and sleep in the field.....and above all else HOVER and DESTROY. :icon_wink
 

towbubba

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As far as the gouge goes the policy for VT-2 was two ready room downs was attrition. And the best way to get a ready room down was to get caught quoting gouge. In addition to that, if you aren't exactly Chuck Yeager in the air the old man will work with you, but if you have a ready room down for gougorrhea I doubt he will be so merciful. Also, I found alot of stuff while searching pubs and learned how and where to find things and justify my answerswhich might come in handy later because I know of no gouge website for Cobras or Hueys. Maybe there is one for hornets you can ask Airwinger about that.
 

skidkid

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That whole secret thing gets in the way. There is gouge but it is more of the paper variety
 

E5B

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Well, selections are in and I got my first choice CH-53E East! These last couple of weeks were nerve racking, I was driving my wife insane to the point where'd she tell me to get out of the house and go fishing or something. I need something to study, 18+ months of studying non stop then all of a sudden nothing to study kinda plays with ya. I'll have to track down a 53E NATOPS so I can hit the books. Might head up to Maine for a little POW action, we'll find out in a week or so who all is going.

To all those applicants/SNAs that read this thread, I hope I answered at least one question or set your mind at ease about something. If there are any lingering questions don't hesitate to post them, because more than likely someone else has the same question. And for those of you who are dreaming of jets and get helos, DON'T sweat it, you'll grow to love it. Several of my buds who wanted jets and are here loved it once they started hovering.
 

airwinger

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Good job man, glad to see you fulfill your dreams. If you like I'll track down my old form buddy, he's also 53's east.
semper fi
 
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