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Looking for the name of a manuver

MasterBates said:
Afraid of the "Tuck Under" at the boat? :D

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Not in a pointy nosed jet while sitting on an ejection seat, but prefer not to fly at all in back where SA is minimal at best, but if I have to it sure beats walking aboard or off das boot. I have plenty of COD flights to suit me as well as an E-2 experience, C-1 and S-3 COD, but since I wasn't at controls, I much prefer to have a seat under me that can get me out of the aircraft if needed.

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JFK COD during Desert Shield (Photo by HJ)
 
MasterBates said:
Afraid of the "Tuck Under" at the boat? :D

Hell, I don't think the COD can do it, but I'll let a COD guru chime in on that. I am but a mailman in training.

Anyways, I would be doing it on the T-34..
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You're limited to 60 degree AOB, no inverted. Yeah, it sucks. Although flying the Scamp Alpha approach into Mugu via the Laguna Peak is a fun little ride. Skimming the top of the mountain has to be completely illegal. But still fun.
 
heyjoe said:
Not in a pointy nosed jet while sitting on an ejection seat, but prefer not to fly at all in back where SA is minimal at best, but if I have to it sure beats walking aboard or off das boot. I have plenty of COD flights to suit me as well as an E-2 experience, C-1 and S-3 COD, but since I wasn't at controls, I much prefer to have a seat under me that can get me out of the aircraft if needed.

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JFK COD during Desert Shield (Photo by HJ)
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I'm not sure I ever was more uncomfortable than sitting in the back of a C-1 doing a deck roll launch down the (short) waist on Midway. Had to do it about a half dozen times. I remember counting wires and, passing the three wire (Midway's last one), never thinking we had enough airspeed. Ugh.
 
Am I just going crazy??? Am I the only maniac here??? Am I the only one feeling .... "dirty" ... ??? :eek:

How has a thread about division/ALPHA "what do you call that maneuver" bombing roll-in's degenerated into a non-discussion @ COD tuck-under breaks ..... ????

Which are NEVER gonna' happen ..... :D:confused::D:sleep_125

Unless ........ YOU'RE crazy.

Only in America .... otherwise .... you'd be killed.

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Back to the topic at hand (what, I'm not allowed to threadjack my own thread anymore??)

How does one do the wagon wheel roll in, in an FTI-Speak sort of manner?
 
I'd advise caution. It's kind of spit-S-ish, which is a prohibited maneuver for solos (not sure how that fits in w/ your syllabus, Master). I do my own version of the maneuver when needing to lose altitude/roll into a different section of a working area, but again, it could be construed as a Split-S like maneuver.
 
MasterBates said:
....How does one do the wagon wheel roll in, in an FTI-Speak sort of manner?
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Interval ... interval ... interval.

Lead rolls ... 2,3,4 keep driving/turning ....

2 rolls .... 3,4, keep driving/turning ....

3 rolls .... 4 keeps on keepin' on/driving ....

4 rolls ....

EVERYONE's in the run ....

Just about as fast as you read this .... you get @ 20 degrees split on the roll-in btw each bird .... no gunner in the world can track 2 of you ... let alone 4 of you ... :)

Enjoy.
 
A4sForever said:
Interval ... interval ... interval.

EVERYONE's in the run ....

Just about as fast as you read this .... you get @ 20 degrees split on the roll-in btw each bird .... no gunner in the world can track 2 of you ... let alone 4 of you ... :)

Enjoy.
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Sorta like this...couldn't resist :icon_smil

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gatordev said:
I'd advise caution. It's kind of spit-S-ish, which is a prohibited maneuver for solos (not sure how that fits in w/ your syllabus, Master). I do my own version of the maneuver when needing to lose altitude/roll into a different section of a working area, but again, it could be construed as a Split-S like maneuver.
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I don't solo, I get a couple flights where I have free-reign over what to do, but they send an IP in the trunk to keep me legal (I'm not NATOPS or Instrument qualed anymore). Just always thought it "looked cool" and wanted to try one while I can.

A4s, thanks for the description.. Since I will be single ship, I'll just pick a "target" in the working area and roll in on it.
 
MasterBates said:
....A4s, thanks for the description.. Since I will be single ship, I'll just pick a "target" in the working area and roll in on it.
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Roger that ... and since you're "not solo" ... and if you're doing well in the syllabul .... check it out with your Instructor before the flight .... he'll probably be willing to go along with your time-warp into WW2 and rolling in on a target.

If not .... shut up and fly the COD. Where's our mail??? :)
 
MasterBates said:
Back to the topic at hand (what, I'm not allowed to threadjack my own thread anymore??)

How does one do the wagon wheel roll in, in an FTI-Speak sort of manner?
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Master, you'll get the hang of it quickly. The gouge we taught students in the RAG was to fly a 30 degree cone around the target. The roll-in isn't just an angle of bank to let the nose fall; it's actually a rolling (level altitude) pull toward the attack heading for the target (about 60 degrees AOB, which should be a 2G pull, or what ever it takes to honk the airplane over to get on your attack heading) and, as you are approaching 'nose on target, an overbank (about 120-150 degrees) and pull down to put the nose short of the target in a 40 degree dive. So in effect, you're flying from the 30 degree cone to the 40 degree cone.

You can't be wimpy or shy about the initial pull coming off the 30 degree cone, because you need separation from your flight, and you don't want a gentle arcing to the attack heading or you'll overshoot and be close to your wingman's run-in line, which is where the problems start.

Also, you don't want the nose to fall during the pull from the 30 degree cone to the 40 degree cone, because you'll wind up shallow and with a lot less tracking time.
 
MasterBates said:
I don't solo, I get a couple flights where I have free-reign over what to do, but they send an IP in the trunk to keep me legal (I'm not NATOPS or Instrument qualed anymore). Just always thought it "looked cool" and wanted to try one while I can.

A4s, thanks for the description.. Since I will be single ship, I'll just pick a "target" in the working area and roll in on it.
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Gotcha. Yeah, shouldn't be an issue then. My comment was more of a disclaimer for those that do solo. It's not a whole lot different then from an unusual attitude, as far as the IP is concerned.
 
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