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Looking for a female perspective on OCS

nursesoon said:
When women have the same job rights as men in the military, then I will support using the same physical standards. Till then, the sexist prt crapola falls on death ears.
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What are death ears? They sound kinda scary, but also cool. Can they hear death coming? Kind of like a radar for death, only human ears. So then, you have superpowers. They really should let you be a SEAL. The SEALS could definitely use someone with death ears............




Couldn't resist the temptation to have fun with Michael Scott's (The Office) AW relative.
 
"Slightly less" than the male standards? Really? 48 pushups is Outstanding high for women 20-24. For men it's 87. That's almost double! The MINIMUM passing score is 21 pushups! If you can't do 21 pushups, you are pathetic!
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I've been involved in martial arts for a large portion of my life. Every woman at my school was able to crank out at least 40 consecutively after a few months of training.

Well I'll be going to ods, so it might be a bit different, the marine DI part I know. Either way, I can meet the female standard and doubt my nursing job will require being a pt stud. I work as a nurse aid now and can tell you it's as physical as any medical job comes but actual nursing is less of that.
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So you bark about "sexism" in the military, but the second someone challanges you to meet the male's [higher] PT standard you give the excuse that your job won't require it? Lame.
 
This all seems to have gotten a bit out of hand. I was with the understanding that this thread was meant to help females interested in OCS get answers to female related questions regarding OCS.

Of course you are your job with the Navy, "you are not a female, you are a pilot" is some great female perspective for the Navy, but this is specifically in the OCS forum, where a good deal of the threads are about adjusting to life at OCS.

Let's face the obvious, guy and girls are built differently both physically and mentally. And this thread is an outlet for those girls to figure out what it takes to go through OCS, which is for many, their first military environment.

take it or leave it, just my 2 cents
 
blarged said:
This all seems to have gotten a bit out of hand. I was with the understanding that this thread was meant to help females interested in OCS get answers to female related questions regarding OCS.

Of course you are your job with the Navy, "you are not a female, you are a pilot" is some great female perspective for the Navy, but this is specifically in the OCS forum, where a good deal of the threads are about adjusting to life at OCS.

Let's face the obvious, guy and girls are built differently both physically and mentally. And this thread is an outlet for those girls to figure out what it takes to go through OCS, which is for many, their first military environment.

take it or leave it, just my 2 cents
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I'll leave it.

This will be my last post - I promise.

No where is it more important than OCS for a girl to be tough and fit in. I don't know why you guys don't understand this. Ever seen a girl drop out of a run and then have 3 DIs go up and start harassing her? God help her if she cries....

Respect is not given out - you have to earn it. And having the attitude that you're going to be the best at everything you do (including running) will get you it. Crewman, maintainers, and fellow pilots will NOT just give you respect because you wear wings. It's earned. And the slack ass attitude that "I can meet the minimum for females" shows exactly the type of attitude you'll display in all areas of your career.

We all agree this is the military, right? For crying out loud - it's our job to shoot guns, drops bombs, and in general protect the rights of people all over the world. I would really rather not have the "I'll do the minimum" guy/girl standing next to me or being my copilot.

Women that want to be pilots - suck it up. You're going to have to go through things a h*ll of a lot harder than OCS. SERE will be waiting for you - where there are NO rules about being PC. And the first stages of flight training - don't be surprised when you screw something up and instead of a gentle "we'll try this again" you get reamed out because you didn't do the procedure correctly.

Males have to be more PC when it comes to telling females they are f'ed up - heaven forbid they take it wrong and call it sexist. But being a female...that somehow gives me free reign.... and I take offense to women like the ones here who play the female card.
 
^Wut she said. Oh, boy... women at SERE. They had a BLAST in my class. I can only imagine what that chick who was complaining about her haircut at OCS is gonna go through at SERE school... hahaha.
 
*Sigh*
Anyone know how long the navy has used these PRT standards? Think about it, the amount of time and research our military has put into these standards has to come from somewhere. Anatomy. Men and women are different. Period.
These differences have been evaluated and used to create these standards. Come on I know some men who can't touch their toes! I also know some women that can destroy some really buff guys outside of the gym.
Womens' bodies are different from mens'.
However, we should all just stop complaining about something we can't change and work hard to reach these standards. Use this thread as a guide, as hints, to mold yourself into what the navy expects us to be!
Personally, a few months ago before all the nonsense about the PRT I think it was headed in a good direction.
 
I have never been able to touch my toes. Even when I was in single digit bodyfat %

But my large ass did beat my OCS PRT scores on the last PRT.

And while women ARE physiologically different, neither the sinking ship, burning airplane or ammo dump about to detonate care much about how you can walk and pass the PRT.

Also ask yourself.. Can you pull ME out of a burning E2? I'm in standards, but dressed out in flight gear I am over 265 pounds. The minimum passing should be the same for both sexes.

And I know MANY women who are in shape who can max out the male PRT standards. They are NOT that hard to max out. If MY large behind can max out PU and SU, and get a 9:15 run, it's not that hard to just meet the male passing standard.
 
You have to be pretty small to be dressed in full flight gear and be able to get out through an E-2/C-2 ditching hatch.
 
I can fit out the ditching hatch in the E-2 with everything but the chute on. I stand on the seat and get on top for each preflight.
 
Basically the point is for females: be in much better shape than you need to be for OCS, since it's going to be you and 45 guys and you're already going to stand out for obvious reasons. The PRT also has some parts that work in your favor. Sit-and-reach and curlups always favor females in the same way that pushups and the run favor males.

Seems like a lot of females are scared of pushups. Here's a great way to get up to regs super quickly: when you wake up in the morning, do ONE real pushup, then One before you go to bed. The next day two and two, then three and three, and so forth. One of my teammates and I did this and we were doing 60 pushups in 2:00 before we knew it.

On another note, I heard a little rumor that the barbers at OCS are no longer cutting females' hair to 3 in. Anyone got the gouge on that? Might save those of us who were planning on cutting our hair short beforehand some trouble.
 
The PRT also has some parts that work in your favor. Sit-and-reach...
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That would matter if the SnR actually meant something. Failing the SnR does not constitute a PFA failure. I honestly don't even know why they have the event in there.
 
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