Hmm...I can't remember if we ever get complex endorsements.
If you have a commercial license, you are qualified for complex aircraft.
Hmm...I can't remember if we ever get complex endorsements.
14 CFR 61.41:
14 CFR 61.51
(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time.
(3) An authorized instructor may log as pilot-in-command time all of the flight time while acting as an authorized instructor.
14 CFR 61.1
(b)(2) Authorized instructor means-
(ii) A person who holds a current flight instructor certificate issued under part 61 of this chaper when conducting ground training or flight training in accordance with the privileges and limitations of his or her flight instructor certificate...
This means that CFI's can log PIC. If CFI's could not log PIC while doing instruction I would have had a really hard time finding a CFI in the first place. Heck, who enjoys working 6am-10pm 7 days a week making less than $24,000 a year? It is all about working to the airlines.
14 CFR 61.41:
14 CFR 61.31
(e) Additional training required for operating complex airplanes.
(1) ...no person may act as pilot in command of a complex airplane (an airplane that has a retractable landing gear, flaps and a controllable pitch propeller) unless the person has-
(i) Received and logged ground and flight training from an authorized instructor in a complex airplane...
(ii) Received a one-time endorsement in the pilot's logbook from an authorized instructor who certifies the person is proficient to operate a complex airplane.
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This was also what I was getting at. Regardless of whether you can both log PIC time for the same flight or not, if a student does not have a complex endorsement he/she cannot log it as PIC time at all in the T-34 because of the controllable pitch and retractable gear. Correct?
If you have a commercial license, you are qualified for complex aircraft.
I dont see where it says the student AND the CFI can BOTH log PIC time for the same flight. That was the point I was trying to get at...
I realize this is the case, however one typically does not have a commercial license as an SNA...until you are winged and taken the appropriate written exam. Isnt that what we are talking about here, is a student with only a private license?
I realize this is the case, however one typically does not have a commercial license as an SNA...until you are winged and taken the appropriate written exam. Isnt that what we are talking about here, is a student with only a private license?
You are confusing acting as PIC and logging PIC. The FAA makes a distinction and you have to be able to read between the lines of a logbook to tell which one is being logged.
A Navy T-34 flight student with a private license but no complex endorsement may still log PIC as sole manipulator. 61.31 says he may not act as pilot in command without the complex endorsement. Besides, the IP would be acting as PIC anyway.
1500 hours total fixed-wing time as pilot-in-command (PIC) or second-in-command in multi-engine turbo-prop A/C or jet A/C or combination thereof.
Note: PIC for this purpose is defined as Captain/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls.
Tom,
Im just asking here, but I dont see where it says the student AND the CFI can BOTH log PIC time for the same flight. That was the point I was trying to get at...
Squirt
If you have a commercial license, you are qualified for complex aircraft.
If you have a commercial license, you are qualified for complex aircraft.
Acting as PIC =aircraft commander timeWould this be similar to the difference between logging FPT and CPT? The civilian logbooks dont make the distinction, so logging PIC time would be same as logging FPT. Where ACTING as PIC would equate to signing the A sheet??
Yeah I have my CFI but I'm also a really bored pilot. I get paid some pretty good bucks to fly a Citation once or twice a week. Occasionally I get a 727 contract pilot gig. I have a LOT of free time on my hands.What I was referring to is that sure, if you wanted to, as a student not log PIC while the IP is acting PIC. But, since the student is with a US IP, he can log dual time, which is nearly as good as PIC. It will not necessarily help for the airlines, but if you wanted to get your private, instrument, commerical or ATP you could count the flight training hours.
HAL, you must be a CFI or a really bored pilot. That a way.
While I can't prove via the FARs that the competency gives you the complex endorsement but (as Fly Navy said) I would infer it does. If you were to take the actual flight test, it would have to be taken in a complex aircraft.Does anyone know if the complex, as with a high performance and high altitude endorsement, come with the competency test?