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Little known / experimental aircraft

Randy Daytona

Cold War Relic
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Super Moderator
10k on a yo-yo
3k single cycle
1.5k double cycle

S-3 was a shitty tanker.. It was a stop gap measure..

Only 10K? That is what the anticipated V-22 tanker variant is supposed to carry. The Corps is planning to dis-establish several squadrons of Ospreys - which are obviously quite similar to the Navy’s new COD….
 

Jim123

DD-214 in hand and I'm gonna party like it's 1998
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A carrier based tanker is a compromise by its nature, I think. Unless they figure out how to fold up a KC-10 then whatever the platform is going to have limited give, maybe not fast enough to keep up with the strike package, they have a special logistics tail, or-

The five-wet configured KF-18 doesn't have any of those problems but it uses up valuable traps and cycles, which is just a different kind of expensive.

KA-6 and KA-3 were similar concepts (make a support platform by adapting a strike platform to carry a lot more gas) and when they were out of airframe life then they went away.

Don't forget that Douglas invented the buddy store because the A-4 had such a small fuel capacity, and it used up so much of that getting off the deck and up into cruise. It was a really clever solution but it is also another form of compromise.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
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Contributor
With some reference to the conversation above I am reminded of the B-58 Hustler. Designed to serve as a “medium” bomber, it relied on a robust aerial refueling capacity to reach targets in the Soviet Union. The picture below shows the massive fuel tank that was dropped with the onboard H-bomb! I saw one at an air show as a kid and it seemed totally sleek and cool, but only lasted 10 years in service.

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FrankTheTank

Professional Pot Stirrer
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Only 10K? That is what the anticipated V-22 tanker variant is supposed to carry. The Corps is planning to dis-establish several squadrons of Ospreys - which are obviously quite similar to the Navy’s new COD….
Yup…. Those were rough planning numbers.. However my last trap was 21 years ago and some change so I could be wrong but I’m sure enough about those numbers that I would be all in if this were a poker game.
 

Randy Daytona

Cold War Relic
pilot
Super Moderator
With some reference to the conversation above I am reminded of the B-58 Hustler. Designed to serve as a “medium” bomber, it relied on a robust aerial refueling capacity to reach targets in the Soviet Union. The picture below shows the massive fuel tank that was dropped with the onboard H-bomb! I saw one at an air show as a kid and it seemed totally sleek and cool, but only lasted 10 years in service.

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We were talking about the B-58 today and the movie Fail Safe. Too fast for the fighters of the period to catch. I believe it had 4 J-79’s ?

Some pictures of the B-58 from the trailer for Fail Safe.

 

jmcquate

Well-Known Member
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With some reference to the conversation above I am reminded of the B-58 Hustler. Designed to serve as a “medium” bomber, it relied on a robust aerial refueling capacity to reach targets in the Soviet Union. The picture below shows the massive fuel tank that was dropped with the onboard H-bomb! I saw one at an air show as a kid and it seemed totally sleek and cool, but only lasted 10 years in service.

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My neighbor growing up designed the nose gear for the B-58. It has a very complicated retraction and extension because of that massive drop tank.
 

Griz882

Frightening children with the Griz-O-Copter!
pilot
Contributor
We were talking about the B-58 today and the movie Fail Safe. Too fast for the fighters of the period to catch. I believe it had 4 J-79’s ?

Some pictures of the B-58 from the trailer for Fail Safe.

I like how the pilot’s mission packet reads MOSCOW and the co-pilot looks at him like…”As in Idaho…that Moscow?”
 
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