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Life as an aviator on a "small" ship?

lusos

A man's gotta eat
Hey guys,

I have used the search function but only turned up a few posts.

How is life as an aviator on a smaller ship? I hear tons of stories from carriers and assault ships, but very few from guys detached to frigates, fast attack, etc. How does one get selected for this kind of duty and how does it compare to being aboard something like the Reagan?

Any Coasties care to give their opinion?

So far the only stories I have are from the tour guide while seeing the aviator quarters on the USS Alabama.

Thanks,
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
pilot
Contributor
If you select helicopters out of flight school, it's very likely you'll get a chance to operate on small ships. HSC (MH-60S) is operating from LCS and every sort of amphib under the sun. They also get some dets on the USNS ships for replenishment at sea. HSM (MH-60R) is operating from CGs, DDGs, LCS's, as far as small boys go and... that may be it, but someone please correct me.

I got only 2 weeks underway in the middle of an otherwise completely carrier based deployment and I loved it. Our Ship's Master (Captain) was pretty generous about letting us fly whenever we wanted as long as he could get to ports on time; we hit up port every weekend to refuel and resupply; I shared a large, clean stateroom with 1 other guy with the world's greatest air conditioning system; our OIC was a good guy who cared about us being great VERTREP pilots and understood our role in the strike group. You get a little closer to the enlisted guys, because with 1 chief on board, the officers definitely had more of a hands on role with them.

It was good and I was sad to have to go back to the carrier. Guys from other dets will be able to speak much better on this topic.
 

croakerfish

Well-Known Member
pilot
My first det as a Sierra guy was 7 months on an AKE. It was fantastic, but since it's not a real Navy ship it isn't a fair comparison. It definitely heaved around in rough seas a lot more than the LHD.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
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I should have stated in my post that my 2 week description was of an AOE - also a USNS Ship.
 

sickboy

Well-Known Member
pilot
I've done the DDG life and the CVN life. I personally prefer the DDG. Your hours depend on your ships current tasking, but 9/10 times is SSC. Food is better on the small boy, but meal hours are more limited. You will miss meals. Ports are more varied, and you don't have to deal with 4000 of your friends. I share a room with two other LTs. It's really not bad for boat life.
 

MGoBrew11

Well-Known Member
pilot
I've never lived on the carrier, so I can't compare it but if you go HSM you could very well be on a smaller ship. I just got back from cruise on a DDG. Life on the small boy was not too bad. Shared a room with two dudes and flew a ton of hours, mostly SSC, which is not a bad way to spend your flight time. Between studying and flying, days are long, but you get used to it.
 

kejo

Well-Known Member
pilot
I've deployed with HSL/HSM dets on frigates, cruisers, and briefly a destroyer. I lived the carrier life on my disassociated sea tour as ship's company (non-flying job). Here's my 2 cents:

CRUDES (i.e. small boys):
-Better food. Actually, food is the same, but because they aren't mass producing it for 5,000 people, it's fresher, hotter, and if you have some good culinary specialists on board, they tend to have a little more leeway than their carrier brethren to make the food a little more interesting. That being said, the carrier will generally have more options available to you, and midrats is probably more legit (mmm breakfast burritos), but the "options" are varied and often of low quality...I'm looking at you, hot dog bar.

-Port vists. To echo mikwat, port visits are more varied (carrier is restricted to certain ports because of its size), liberty call is far less of a goat rope, and you don't feel like you're running in to drunk sailors at every corner in town. Because port visits are more varied since the ships can be accommodated almost anywhere, I've pulled in to some great ports, and I've pulled in to some so-so ports.

-Flying. This is what it comes down to. Flying off the small boy has its ups and downs. On the upside, it feels nice walking around the ship being one of maybe six pilots out of 200-300+, as opposed to the carrier where you're just another guy/gal in green. Since the Air Det is a relatively small department on the ship, and your mission set has such a large impact, you are constantly interacting with the Captain, XO, and department heads...even as a junior H2P. I think this is a good thing, some may disagree, and I suppose it depends on the ship. Your words carry a lot of weight. On the downside, the CRUDES is not an aviation ship, and their proficiency when dealing with flight ops, if poor, can be extremely dangerous. It's incumbent upon the air det to ensure the ship is being held to high standards. From a maintenance perspective, you will deploy with a PUK (Pack Up Kit) of essential aircraft and mission system spare parts. If you exhaust these parts, or break something that is not in the PUK, you're typically having to scramble to find a part on another ship (usually the carrier), or on shore.

CARRIER
- There is a LOT of everything. People, MWR activities, workout opportunities (yoga in the foc'sle!)...hell, even a Starbucks. On the downside, there is a LOT of everything. People, lines, waiting...there is no escape. From a pure quality of life standpoint, my stateroom was the best I've ever lived in, we never ran out of hot water (unlike many, many times on the small boy), and finding a place to work out was a breeze.

- Flying. The truth is, this is what Naval Aviation is all about. Even in my community, if you don't have some sort of carrier experience, you are behind your peers. Integrating with the air wing, experiencing flight ops, working the airspace. You'll be flying basically the same missions as the CRUDES dets, like SSC/MISR, but the constant interaction with CAG and the other squadrons is invaluable. But it can also be more of a hassle, and the ship is not nearly as flexible with helo ops as the small boy.

- Support/supply. If something breaks, the carrier has the means to replace it, or fix it, much easier than the small boy. AIMD (a higher level, more specialized maintenance department) is located on the carrier and is a yuuuuge asset to have so close. Never ran out of food on the carrier either...definitely spent a few days eating thawed chicken patties and brown lettuce on the small boy.

Overall, and I may be biased, but I prefer the CRUDES life. Yes, you feel at times half-SWO, but I like the smaller, tighter community on the ship where by the end of the deployment, you know the name of just about every sailor on board. I also like not walking in to a bar during port visit and seeing 100 of my fellow shipmates waiting to order a drink. I'll suck up the occasional cold shower from time to time if I know I'm getting a meal that hasn't been sitting in a warmer for five hours.
 

Sonog

Well-Known Member
pilot
If you select helicopters out of flight school, it's very likely you'll get a chance to operate on small ships. HSC (MH-60S) is operating from LCS and every sort of amphib under the sun. They also get some dets on the USNS ships for replenishment at sea. HSM (MH-60R) is operating from CGs, DDGs, LCS's, as far as small boys go and... that may be it, but someone please correct me.

I got only 2 weeks underway in the middle of an otherwise completely carrier based deployment and I loved it. Our Ship's Master (Captain) was pretty generous about letting us fly whenever we wanted as long as he could get to ports on time; we hit up port every weekend to refuel and resupply; I shared a large, clean stateroom with 1 other guy with the world's greatest air conditioning system; our OIC was a good guy who cared about us being great VERTREP pilots and understood our role in the strike group. You get a little closer to the enlisted guys, because with 1 chief on board, the officers definitely had more of a hands on role with them.

It was good and I was sad to have to go back to the carrier. Guys from other dets will be able to speak much better on this topic.

Am I reading this correct, as a CV squadron you guys got a supply det??
 

SynixMan

HKG Based Artificial Excrement Pilot
pilot
Contributor
Am I reading this correct, as a CV squadron you guys got a supply det??

HSC(CVW) squadrons are all manned for a USNS Det. Whether it happens that way or not depends on a lot of factors. Obviously great deal if you can get it.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
pilot
Contributor
Am I reading this correct, as a CV squadron you guys got a supply det??

Yeah, it was great.

HSC(CVW) squadrons are all manned for a USNS Det. Whether it happens that way or not depends on a lot of factors. Obviously great deal if you can get it.

Yeah, we actually did the 3 det concept - 1 on the carrier, 1 on the the USNS Ship, and in theater, we had an inland det. I got to do all 3 and was glad I did.
 

Sonog

Well-Known Member
pilot
HSC(CVW) squadrons are all manned for a USNS Det. Whether it happens that way or not depends on a lot of factors. Obviously great deal if you can get it.

How often does this actually happen? My understanding is that the expeditionary squadrons have been taking nearly all supply dets
 

SynixMan

HKG Based Artificial Excrement Pilot
pilot
Contributor
How often does this actually happen? My understanding is that the expeditionary squadrons have been taking nearly all supply dets

Fairly common nowadays. HSC(CVW) is plussed up airframes and people compared to the HS construct. The Expeditionary squadrons still take Gator SAR, other USNS, LCS, land dets, whatever else.
 

Max the Mad Russian

Hands off Ukraine! Feet too
Any Coasties care to give their opinion?

Speaking to the pilot of HH-65 that was aboard of WMEC-912 Legare in 1996, I was impressed by how integrated he was in the ship company's : he was the guy in charge to give us, the Russians, a brief through ship's CIC, while some Cuttermen were just noding along with his explanations. AFAIR, there was only one helicopter aboard and I never met other aviators there, but this one was amazing and evidently happy enough with his life aboard of the cutter.
 

DanMa1156

Is it baseball season yet?
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Oh, also, you can grow a beard on some small boys. Only time in the Navy you can do that.
Ha, our OIC's rule was you had to be shaved for port.

How often does this actually happen? My understanding is that the expeditionary squadrons have been taking nearly all supply dets

I can speak for a few strike groups:

2 CSG's before my squadron went: HSC(CVW) did their own VERTREP det aboard a USNS Ship
The CSG we relieved: Did not have a dedicated USNS Ship to their CSG; as a result, did not have their own VERTREP det. VERTREP was split between them and the HSC Exped guys in Bahrain.
My Squadron's CSG: Provided our own VERTREP Det; were tasked out to CTF-53 vice CTF-50; routinely VERTREP'd ESG's and provided air logistics support for Allied (French and British) ships.
The one after us: The final HS deployment; did not have their own VERTREP Det dedicated on a USNS Ship; I do not know if they split with Bahrain guys or did their own from the Carrier.
 
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