You helo guys and your reverse racism, I just can't help but laugh:icon_tongHe finally came to the realization he wasn't gay.
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Jets v Helos
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He mentioned 1600 or 1200 hours in fixed wing. less than 2000 but more than 1000.
He finally came to the realization he wasn't gay.
Maybe....BUT....
After switching to helos he did go for a ride in Blue Angel #3. Thats a one seater. So he sat on the guys lap. Sounds like a violation of don't ask don't tell to me.
And where, might I ask, did the stick go????
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phrogpilot73
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He started off gay, so it's not a huge surprise that he was tempted once more to ride the baloney pony. The important thing is that he saw the error of his ways, and stayed straight.
Ran into one of my IP's from South Field when I was at an airshow in Beaufort, and he had transitioned to F/A-18's. I was actually surprised to hear him say that he wished he hadn't.
lol! :blindfold
I was at HML 267 when VM02 split off. Most of the Navy trained IPs got their OV10 transition prior to the split while the Army trained couldn't be checked out until they attended the entire,minus VT1, jet syllabus. You had many multi thousand hour helo types trying for a
magic airplane checkout but I don't remember any Bronco drivers wanting a HUEY checkout, although a few of them were former helo drivers. We,HML267, got some A4 and F4 drivers who were force transitioned;they could hardly contain their joy. I don't recall any of them saying they volunteered and they were all experienced combat pilots with a minimum of one tour in Viet Nam so they were all high time. They all did a good job and one of them went on to the Shuttle program(then Captain Robert Springer).
When I was a student at VT1 all the Marines were combat vets and the vast majority of the navy types were former VS, plowbacks and other non tactical types so I didn't hold them in high regard(other than Medal of Honor winner Lt Lassen there weren't any HC7 or HAL3 types) . I was absolutely in awe of the Purple Fox veterans who wore their hair almost Navy length, were salty beyond belief wore the "Give A Shit" patch and flew the grunts into and out of some very anti American places. There were no Marine fixed wing types so it was a skewed presentation and I fell under the "If you ain't in the zone you ain't in the war" sell. Come orders time I get Hueys and am absolutely aghast but still wind up in a place I loved, but my buddies who flew jets were at a place they loved flying A4s and F4s. When I wound up on the market competing against them and their ilk it got less than handsome and I wound up instructing in Cessna 150/152s to build up my fixed wing time. It worked out great for me eventually but quite a few of my helo buddies wound up suits, quite successful suits, but still earthbound.
magic airplane checkout but I don't remember any Bronco drivers wanting a HUEY checkout, although a few of them were former helo drivers. We,HML267, got some A4 and F4 drivers who were force transitioned;they could hardly contain their joy. I don't recall any of them saying they volunteered and they were all experienced combat pilots with a minimum of one tour in Viet Nam so they were all high time. They all did a good job and one of them went on to the Shuttle program(then Captain Robert Springer).
When I was a student at VT1 all the Marines were combat vets and the vast majority of the navy types were former VS, plowbacks and other non tactical types so I didn't hold them in high regard(other than Medal of Honor winner Lt Lassen there weren't any HC7 or HAL3 types) . I was absolutely in awe of the Purple Fox veterans who wore their hair almost Navy length, were salty beyond belief wore the "Give A Shit" patch and flew the grunts into and out of some very anti American places. There were no Marine fixed wing types so it was a skewed presentation and I fell under the "If you ain't in the zone you ain't in the war" sell. Come orders time I get Hueys and am absolutely aghast but still wind up in a place I loved, but my buddies who flew jets were at a place they loved flying A4s and F4s. When I wound up on the market competing against them and their ilk it got less than handsome and I wound up instructing in Cessna 150/152s to build up my fixed wing time. It worked out great for me eventually but quite a few of my helo buddies wound up suits, quite successful suits, but still earthbound.
bolterking
Member
Best damn secret in Navy. Get DAY VFR Traps only, and life on the beach when cruise? Not much better living there.
Not always the case. On my 2000 cruise on the the John C Stennis, our C-2s carrier qualified day and night.
They didn't carry pax at night, but did accept post sunset cat shots and some night traps to stay current all through deployment. Got us a lot more cargo transfered after daylight hours.
Nothing is written in stone...more like soft mud.
Yeah, VRC-30 did the night thing with all dets from 97-00 and carried on all the way through 03 with DET-5 in Japan. I did the day/night thing on my 99 cruise then as an IP at VAW-120. It is gone for now but like you say, soft mud.
bolterking
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either way....Still damn good living if you ask me.
Being the statistically small number of people who've had a chance to sample both ...go jets.
Now, I don't define my person by my MWS/MDS, but life is so much easier for you if you're a pointy nose guy. If you're competent, smart, and have a good work ethic you will do well in the TACAIR community. There's just so many, many, many more doors open to you when your MDS starts with "F" or "F/A".
That's my only resentment. I actually put one choice down ages ago during selection, props. I got helos. All these years later I'm nearing more fixed wing, multi-engine, turbine and high-performance jet time than I have helo time. But I still think of myself as a helo guy.
I know where you're coming from though, I wanted AH-64s but the Army didn't have a commissioned officer aviation program and I didn't want to go warrant. So here I am.
I constantly tell my wife that I would fly helos again in a heartbeat if I could get airline salaries for EMS/PETRO/Etc. It's that much fun. Flying helos is a blast. I can only speak to flying "heavy/fat-boy" jets and that wasn't so much a blast. It was great being able to get from point A to B at .65 IMN and see the world. But the only fun to be had when flying is when you're tanking off another heavy and flying "form" on them for 100,000 pounds of gas (twice a sortie). And don't think flying with "other" people is all great either.
I've been on crews where everyone just fit and the dynamics were great. Both in helo and heavies. And I've been on crews where no one could agree that the sky was blue and everything that wasn't outlined in NATOPS was up to a "technedure" discussion or prolonged debrief post sortie. Those were the CRM nightmares when I kept thinking of what my best friend in Vipers tells me, "When the canopy goes down, you're the mayor". That's golden too.
I also wouldn't call 6.5 hours over Baby Whale Back looking through a SNIPER pod, conducting NTISR, doing SEAD, lasing or programming PGMs "boring holes" in the skies either.
Good luck.
Now, I don't define my person by my MWS/MDS, but life is so much easier for you if you're a pointy nose guy. If you're competent, smart, and have a good work ethic you will do well in the TACAIR community. There's just so many, many, many more doors open to you when your MDS starts with "F" or "F/A".
That's my only resentment. I actually put one choice down ages ago during selection, props. I got helos. All these years later I'm nearing more fixed wing, multi-engine, turbine and high-performance jet time than I have helo time. But I still think of myself as a helo guy.
I know where you're coming from though, I wanted AH-64s but the Army didn't have a commissioned officer aviation program and I didn't want to go warrant. So here I am.
I constantly tell my wife that I would fly helos again in a heartbeat if I could get airline salaries for EMS/PETRO/Etc. It's that much fun. Flying helos is a blast. I can only speak to flying "heavy/fat-boy" jets and that wasn't so much a blast. It was great being able to get from point A to B at .65 IMN and see the world. But the only fun to be had when flying is when you're tanking off another heavy and flying "form" on them for 100,000 pounds of gas (twice a sortie). And don't think flying with "other" people is all great either.
I've been on crews where everyone just fit and the dynamics were great. Both in helo and heavies. And I've been on crews where no one could agree that the sky was blue and everything that wasn't outlined in NATOPS was up to a "technedure" discussion or prolonged debrief post sortie. Those were the CRM nightmares when I kept thinking of what my best friend in Vipers tells me, "When the canopy goes down, you're the mayor". That's golden too.
I also wouldn't call 6.5 hours over Baby Whale Back looking through a SNIPER pod, conducting NTISR, doing SEAD, lasing or programming PGMs "boring holes" in the skies either.
Good luck.
It wasn't just pinky, it was dark as well....dark like a hairy ass crack. The majority of my night traps were unfortunetly not pinky. I certainly would have preferred it that way. But for now, no more night traps in the forseeable future for the COD drivers.