I think my point was that both services got it wrong in almost opposite ways.Interesting perspective, Baconator, and what situation does the USAF find itself in these days?
I think my point was that both services got it wrong in almost opposite ways.Interesting perspective, Baconator, and what situation does the USAF find itself in these days?
I don't know if this is somehow a big force shaping tool by the Navy, but it seems effective at getting people out of the Navy. And unlike the Air Force who paid people to get out of their contracts early and go make a killing in the airlines, the Navy seems to be taking actions to get people to quit so they don't even have to pay them a severance. Hmmm....
Other than a handful of guys within CNATRA to fill manning gaps and are allowed to extend into their MSR but have to waive any ability to take severance, what are you talking about.
The 8 year contract putting guys on the boat, and depending on timing you'd have to do anywhere between 1-4 years on the boat to FOS out for severance. I don't know many guys who would be willing to do that for severance. I know I wasn't going to.Curious to know what? Other than a handful of guys within CNATRA to fill manning gaps and are allowed to extend into their MSR but have to waive any ability to take severance, what are you talking about - genuinely curious.
The 8 year contract putting guys on the boat, and depending on timing you'd have to do anywhere between 1-4 years on the boat to FOS out for severance. I don't know many guys who would be willing to do that for severance. I know I wasn't going to.
Can you please expand on this?
I know a bunch of VT guys who've been able to extend to their MSR but no one has mentioned having to waive the severance.
What I'm saying is that making the boat unavoidable isn't to the Navy's benefit, which it thinks it is, which is why they extended the contract. In spite of being able to billet people to these jobs, they are wasting money on filling the same job 2-3 times per single set of orders due to resignations/FOS, not to mention having unmotivated people in the job that are just waiting for their separation date. I'm saying there has to be a better way. The 8 year contract has shown manifestly that the juice isn't worth the squeeze. If the "golden children" are leaving for FTS and comnavcivpac, then the Navy needs to reevaluate its retention goals. I accept that I may be way off base but I'm sharing what I saw on the front lines of dudes at MSR and retention.But other than getting lucky to pick up FTS or lat transfer, most dudes are going to the boat. There's not like a systematic program in place to dissuade people from serving their full commitment.
And this seems like a perfect backhanded example of the Navy trying to get dudes to let them not pay their severance.Of the folks in my command that have been allowed to extend to their MSR and end their time on active duty, they have told me they all had to agree to:
1. Accept a lower-than-competitive FITREP;
2. Sign a page 13 waiving their severance (seeing as they didn't FOS, they just went to their MSR and left the service);
3. Agree to not compete for LCDR (which I assume has to do with the service having their arms tied behind their backs and having to pay the severance in the case they were to 2x FOS).
Was this some sort of a drug deal between PERS and front offices in the HTs? Because I simply haven't heard of this in the jet VTs, and lots of guys are getting extended without these caveats.Of the folks in my command that have been allowed to extend to their MSR and end their time on active duty, they have told me they all had to agree to:
1. Accept a lower-than-competitive FITREP;
2. Sign a page 13 waiving their severance (seeing as they didn't FOS, they just went to their MSR and left the service);
3. Agree to not compete for LCDR (which I assume has to do with the service having their arms tied behind their backs and having to pay the severance in the case they were to 2x FOS).
I would love to see it in writing (e-mail or otherwise) that they would accept non-competitive FITREPs. I think everyone understands what is likely to happen once someone says they're getting out, but for it to be written down, suggested, or directed by someone to a CO stinks to high heaven.
Once again . . . what do we gain by ranking people in summary groups? What advantage does this give in communicating an officer's suitability for promotion to the board?That has always irked me. Call me old-fashioned, but I just feel like you should give the person the FITREP they deserve regardless of their intentions. I mean, shit, if they earned the #1 then give it to them and let them do with it what they please. Giving a person who would've been a #8 EP the #3 EP because he got pushed forward in the line doesn't really help the Navy in any way. Just makes someone look better than they really are.
Why don't you precisely define what's wrong with it? In its most basic form, it allows a RS to easily and quantifiably compare a group of individuals. That's ultimately what a screen board is, right? We're managing a finite amount of opportunity based on a set of standardized subjective assessments.Once again . . . what do we gain by ranking people in summary groups? What advantage does this give in communicating an officer's suitability for promotion to the board?
Why don't you precisely define what's wrong with it? In its most basic form, it allows a RS to easily and quantifiably compare a group of individuals. That's ultimately what a screen board is, right? We're managing a finite amount of opportunity based on a set of standardized subjective assessments.
Of the folks in my command that have been allowed to extend to their MSR and end their time on active duty, they have told me they all had to agree to:
1. Accept a lower-than-competitive FITREP;
2. Sign a page 13 waiving their severance (seeing as they didn't FOS, they just went to their MSR and left the service);
3. Agree to not compete for LCDR (which I assume has to do with the service having their arms tied behind their backs and having to pay the severance in the case they were to 2x FOS).
!!!!!I really don't know how you could effectively qualify and quantify the above problem though.
Well stated.I'd argue the people doing extracurricular work to separate at MSR aren't giving a many fucks about their shore tour high water paper or severance dollars. They just want to leave honorably at the end of their service obligations and not get stuck being jerked around by Millington.