Deciding to stick your finger in an electrical socket doesn't.
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Well, if anyone needs help or has questions about the VTU shoot me a note. It's the best deal out there for minimal investment in time.
Agree on 99% of this!
One caveat: If you are a URL SELRES, they have been known to tag people with a mob approx 6 mo prior to their post-active duty dwell time expiring, so that their RLD is almost the same day as their dwell expires. They can do that, and you can’t go IRR after getting tagged, so really if you want some drill pay without a Mob you’ll need to start the IRR-VTU paperwork about a year before your dwell expires to be safe. I know one SELRES who had their IRR request paperwork get lost by the NOSC and have to be redone from scratch with all new signatures, but the delay there wasn’t significant. Obviously, any Mob still depends on needs of the Navy/Joint force - and who knows what kind of URL IA Mobs will exist if/when you are eligible to fill them.
You want to see MAS code "AAP" - which your NOSC admin folks should apply upon receiving your VTU transfer special request chit.
You can walk the VTU paperwork around the NOSC and get it done in a drill weekend or by going in during the week and walking it around. I helped an O5 SEAL with this and he got it done in a couple of hours.
OP, having come from a similar situation, if grad school is of interest, you'll never have more free time outside of work than on your shore tour. Having it done pre-transition should even improve your odds of finding a job (and getting paid closer to Navy pay). If you're considering it and are on the fence, I strongly recommend applying to schools ASAP so you can be done prior to your next sea tour. Double emphasis on this if you have a family and/or will be SELRES.
exNavyOffRec
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This has come up in discussion in my circles with other corporate recruiters/HRM's some of whom including me that have made hiring decisions, the general consensus is we don't care, just like if a woman who was visibly pregnant was interviewing, or trying to predict if a young woman who recently was married will get pregnant and need to go on maternity leave in the next few years.
If there is a company that does care you probably don't want to work for them as they have issues they need to sort out.
Ideally, yeah!
Sometimes you gotta get RCC N12 involved, as myself and another board member can attest.
HR people don't care, the hiring managers are the ones who care. Trust me. I've seen and experienced it countless times over the last few years.
Recruiters and HR don't care cause it's illegal for them to care.
They still care. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional.
At the financial institution where I work, I have a Reserve colleague (20+ year employee of this dump) who referred someone to another hiring manager for a role. The other hiring manager ended up hiring the person, but then found out the person was in the Reserve. The hiring manager called my colleague all pissed off saying, "If I knew they were in the Reserve I never would have hired them."
@exNavyOffRec was talking about hiring managers when he said HRMs.
The plural of "anecdote" is not "data." I'm absolutely certain that there are people like that in the private sector, but I'm equally certain that it's a fool's errand trying to assume that ALL hiring managers are that way. I mean, I can counterpoint your stories about multiple hiring managers discriminating with the aforementioned individual being a VP at my company, and my own manager flat-out telling me words to the effect of "I know you have to do well at your reserve job just like you have to do well at this one, and we'll work the balance out together."
I mean, maybe it's different in finance than in tech, and maybe that's relevant to folks seeking work, but it's a fool's errand to apply either of our situations to everyone else's. The answer isn't necessarily to hide your reserve status, it's to keep your ear to the ground and avoid working for people and institutions that are anti-military. Saying that folks who haven't shared your own experiences are "delusional" for not agreeing with you is a bit strong.
To clarify: I didn't call anyone out for not sharing in my experiences. I said that anyone who thinks it doesn't happen is delusional. ?
Fair enough; I'm certainly not going to claim it doesn't happen. It's absolutely caveat emptor for SELRES job seekers when it comes to the gray area of what USERRA would officially describe as "sketchy."
exNavyOffRec
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I am in finance and we have been told to look for people with a military background, veteran or reserve.
When we have a person go out for military reasons, illness, birth of child, whatever the situation they will use it as a development opportunity and put a person in the role to learn new things. This has been from entry level to C-suite level.
I get there are ones out there that still do things like @bubblehead described but from my experience on recruiting and hiring side they are fewer than they were as companies evolve.