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Will there be a merge? Do we need a gun for A/A?
A4sforever and I took it off line (old folks online PM exchange) and agreed that a thread on this topic might be worthwhile as this thread seems to be a slugfest over names for Hornet variants. So stay in that fight if you must, but if you want to talk tactics and future of air combat, join us at: http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?p=188327#post188327
handjive said:
A4sforever and I took it off line (old folks online PM exchange) and agreed that a thread on this topic might be worthwhile as this thread seems to be a slugfest over names for Hornet variants. So stay in that fight if you must, but if you want to talk tactics and future of air combat, join us at: http://www.airwarriors.com/forum/showthread.php?p=188327#post188327
eddie said:
I don't know how it has been since I left the rock, but for quite a few wingings, there were more SH slots than Legacy spots. Some guys really wanted to fly the Legacy over the Supers, so those spots became more competitive.
Brett327 said:
when you're able to take a navy jet out solo, you let me know, ok
i'll be receiving social security before the Corps gets the JSF ... i flew for the "B team" at K-Rock and now i'm stuck flying a "JV" jet in the fleet, i guess i'm fuckedEODDave said:Sorry if you dont like the JV term, but maybe one day you'll get to fly a real airplane.Doh!!!
nobody to banter with here in BFT, we all fly the same jet.Mefesto said:
i can't imagine what the O-Clubs at Miramar, El Toro, Oceana were like back in the 1980's with A-4s, A-6s, F-4s, F-14s, & F/A-18s around at the same time ... i bet it made for some good drunken verbal brawls! i bet Hornet pilots in those days thought their shit didn't stink
S/F
The clubs were GREAT .... especially in the 60's and 70's when we didn't have to worry about Hornet pilots and whatever was stinking on them ...... probably something on their boots ???jarhead said:
Didn't mean to get your panties in a bunch, I'm just saying what I saw from the selecting classes. Alot of guys who got Super Hornets got great grades, some didn't get good grades. There was more competition over the few Legacy spots than Super spots, why, because there were more Super spots available. Because, guess, what, it has changed some in the last year. And heaven forbid some people wanted to fly the Charlie over the Super. That doesn't make them any lesser of a pilot, nor is a F pilot worse than an E. I didn't fucking say that. But as usual, everyone likes to only read what they want. SERGRAD is a completely different story. I was just pointing out that just because you're flying a SH doesn't make you ace of the bass. I'm not trying to shit on your community either. You guys got a much more involved RAG than we do.
But don't break your arm patting yourself on the back either.
But don't break your arm patting yourself on the back either.
Well, I think I might...UInavy said:
Now you're on to something.UInavy said:
Punk is a classic case of "I deserve Hornets, but all I got was this lousy Prowler." Add a smidgen of "I know everything" syndrome and you've got what amounts to a big pain in the ass. All kidding aside, dude, you are going to get crushed unless you correct your attitude.
Brett
just to throw it out, as this engagement spirals outta control rapidly towards the deck ... nothing within this thread was taken personal by me, if i said something somebody took personal, well, grow some skin 
... and i enjoyed the discussion with Dave
have a happy New Years fellas!
out right, reference, uh, uh, the bar!
S/F!
... and i enjoyed the discussion with Davehave a happy New Years fellas!
out right, reference, uh, uh, the bar!
S/F!
You guys are giving me yet ANOTHER present --- and for New Year's, yet ??? All this hate and discontent ... my, my. I am unworthy, but thank you anyway.....
Maybe what follows is intuitively obvious and I just missed everyone's appreciation of it --- but the way seats were assigned out of the TRACOM, historically, has been:
1. Needs of the Navy
2. Type A/C seats available
3. Your completion date --- timing, if you will
4. Your grades/overall class standing
5. Needs of the Navy
Oh, did I mention .... ??? Needs of the Navy ??? Has it ever been any different ??? Anything else was wishful thinking or rationalization(s) on the part of the disgruntled ... historically speaking, of course.
In my time period, many gents wanted to fly single-seat ---A-4s, A-7s .... as F-8's fighter squadrons were dying by this time and most, but not all, F-8's were relegated to the VFP community. Thus F-8's were not as high up on the STUDs "dream sheets" as they might have been otherwise. A-4 seats were diminished as well since 27C decks were being retired but most still wanted to fly the "Scooter". We had just trained in it and felt "comfortable" going to SE Asia with it --- plus, it was a real, no joke warplane -- we liked it. Many obviously wanted A-6's and F-4s as well --- but single seat still seemed to be the biggest draw. Perhaps the steely-eyed, intrepid, lone-wolf Aviator unencumbered by "anything/anyone" syndrome ... ???
So would it not make sense (historically speaking) that the "higher grades" --- competition and all that --- would gravitate toward the single seat community if more wanted to fly solo ??? No matter WHAT the total number of available seats ??? Vigies and Whales were a distant third .... and Prowlers were just coming on line in the RAG and the mission was still "suspect".
To follow the argument(s) in the above posts, if single seat was not available or was "restricted" would not the "competition" and grades pecking order then shift to the two seaters ??? Doesn't this analogy also apply to single/two seat F-18's ??? Sometimes it goes one way, sometimes it goes the other way ..... so what's all the fuss about ??? Who is better .... ??? Is THAT what this fuss is all about ... ???
One night at CUBI Pt. some of us were sitting around a late San Miguel and a CUBI-Dog at the BOQ bar complaining about almost everything in the Universe when this subject came up in passing. One gent, wiser than the rest, said: "I think everyone knows why he got what he got ..... " Everyone stared at their respective beers, took a last pull, muttered "good night" and departed.
The subject never came up again among that group of Aviators.....
Maybe what follows is intuitively obvious and I just missed everyone's appreciation of it --- but the way seats were assigned out of the TRACOM, historically, has been:
1. Needs of the Navy
2. Type A/C seats available
3. Your completion date --- timing, if you will
4. Your grades/overall class standing
5. Needs of the Navy
Oh, did I mention .... ??? Needs of the Navy ??? Has it ever been any different ??? Anything else was wishful thinking or rationalization(s) on the part of the disgruntled ... historically speaking, of course.
In my time period, many gents wanted to fly single-seat ---A-4s, A-7s .... as F-8's fighter squadrons were dying by this time and most, but not all, F-8's were relegated to the VFP community. Thus F-8's were not as high up on the STUDs "dream sheets" as they might have been otherwise. A-4 seats were diminished as well since 27C decks were being retired but most still wanted to fly the "Scooter". We had just trained in it and felt "comfortable" going to SE Asia with it --- plus, it was a real, no joke warplane -- we liked it. Many obviously wanted A-6's and F-4s as well --- but single seat still seemed to be the biggest draw. Perhaps the steely-eyed, intrepid, lone-wolf Aviator unencumbered by "anything/anyone" syndrome ... ???
So would it not make sense (historically speaking) that the "higher grades" --- competition and all that --- would gravitate toward the single seat community if more wanted to fly solo ??? No matter WHAT the total number of available seats ??? Vigies and Whales were a distant third .... and Prowlers were just coming on line in the RAG and the mission was still "suspect".
To follow the argument(s) in the above posts, if single seat was not available or was "restricted" would not the "competition" and grades pecking order then shift to the two seaters ??? Doesn't this analogy also apply to single/two seat F-18's ??? Sometimes it goes one way, sometimes it goes the other way ..... so what's all the fuss about ??? Who is better .... ??? Is THAT what this fuss is all about ... ???
One night at CUBI Pt. some of us were sitting around a late San Miguel and a CUBI-Dog at the BOQ bar complaining about almost everything in the Universe when this subject came up in passing. One gent, wiser than the rest, said: "I think everyone knows why he got what he got ..... " Everyone stared at their respective beers, took a last pull, muttered "good night" and departed.
The subject never came up again among that group of Aviators.....
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