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[Gatordev]

I wasn't trying to counter your post

I didn't take it that way. Just wanted to correct my post. I figured the jet guys would eventually come by and correct it for me if I didn't.

Today, I fly AOA-based approaches in virtually every aircraft I fly. It's just easier.

For the aircraft that don't require a calculation for speed, does everything you fly have an AOA indication of some kind? Certain pockets of GA are adopting various flavors of AOA indicators, but I'm not smart on how available they are with the business turbine side.

 

[ChuckMK23]

I didn't take it that way. Just wanted to correct my post. I figured the jet guys would eventually come by and correct it for me if I didn't.



For the aircraft that don't require a calculation for speed, does everything you fly have an AOA indication of some kind? Certain pockets of GA are adopting various flavors of AOA indicators, but I'm not smart on how available they are with the business turbine side.

Textron / Cessna has made AOA indicator standard on the mighty 172 since 2019. (Of course this has more to do with marketing and sales) - but there you go. A new Cessna 172 goes for north of $400K.

I believe this is also an option on C-208 Caravan as well. Will be interesting if this is on the Beechcraft Denali (PC-12 killer)

 

[sevenhelmet]

For the aircraft that don't require a calculation for speed, does everything you fly have an AOA indication of some kind?

Almost entirely, yes. For the ones that don’t, they’re relatively low fuel-fraction, and have fixed approach speeds (think older 172, etc.), so no computation is necessary.

All the bizjets and turboprops I have flown have an AOA indication of some kind.

 

[BattlingTrain]

Reporting to Pensacola soon as SNA. Will be there for a bit, anyone have recommendations for Pickleball? Didn't see anything on the MWR's insta, not sure if they host at all.

 

[Skywalker]

Would be worth asking around. If not, the local YMCAs are quite nice and probably do.

 

[JTS11]

Reporting to Pensacola soon as SNA. Will be there for a bit, anyone have recommendations for Pickleball? Didn't see anything on the MWR's insta, not sure if they host at all.

Good to see the age waiver went through. 👍

 

[ea6bflyr]

Reporting to Pensacola soon as SNA. Will be there for a bit, anyone have recommendations for Pickleball? Didn't see anything on the MWR's insta, not sure if they host at all.

Check out playtimescheduler.com then select FL->Pensacola
Create a free account, and you can find pickleball playtimes near you.

Near Base:
Malcolm Yonge Gym
(Pensacola)
925 East Jackson St., Pensacola, Florida 32501
Type: Indoor
Courts: 3
Lines: Pickleball only
Nets: Y
Lighted: Y
Phone: 850-436-5195

Near PNS:
Vickrey Resource Center
(Pensacola)
2130 Summit Boulevard, Pensacola, Florida 32503
Type: Indoor
Courts: 3
Lines: Pickleball only
Nets: Y
Lighted: Y
Phone: 850-912-4056

Gulf Breeze:
Gulf Breeze Shoreline Park Recreation Center
(Gulf Breeze)
800 Shoreline Dr., Gulf Breeze, Florida 32561
Type: Indoor
Courts: 3
Lines: Multi-sport
Nets: Y
Lighted: Y
Phone: (850) 934-5140
Notes: (As of 7/22/21, I'd say this is a good place for newbies.) Come join us for fun Adult Pickleball at the Gulf Breeze Shoreline Park Recreation Center. $3 for nonresident. We play indoors in the gym for a small fee of 3.00 The hours of play are Tues. 6:00 -8:45PM, Thurs 6:00 - 8:45PM, Sat. 3:00 - 8:45PM, Sunday 12:30 - 5:45 PM

 

[BattlingTrain]

Check out playtimescheduler.com then select FL->Pensacola

Awesome, will do, thanks!

 

[CorsairDriver]

The 1985-1987 Commissioning-->SNA-->Fleet Timeline:

22 MAR 1985 - AOCS Commissioning (after 16 weeks of excessive FUN!!)
25 APR 1985 - Started VT-3 Primary in T-34C
13 AUG 1985 - Completed Primary (70.7 Total Hours)
22 OCT 1985 - Started VT-23 Intermediate Jet VT-23 in T-2C
26 MAR 1986 - Completed Intermediate and CQ with 4 Traps on Lex (177.6 Total Hours)
06 MAY 1986 - Started Advanced Jet VT-22 in TA-4J
25 AUG 1986 - Completed CQ with 6 Traps on Lex
26 SEP 1986 - Winged after TacForm and ACM Hops (282.7 Total Hours)
21 DEC 1986 - SERE School American Flag goes up!
30 JAN 1987 - Light Attack Wing One Weapons School (Conventional and Special)
26 FEB 1987 - First A-7E Flight in VA-174 as an ENS
25 NOV 1987 - Completed RAG (453.0 Total Hours)
02 DEC 1987 - First flight with VA-72 in CAG-7 as LTJG
02 DEC 1988 - After 1 yr in a Light Attack w/ 6mo Med Cruise (696.7 Total Hours/88 Traps)

Commissioning to TACAIR Wings: 1 year, 6 months, 4 days
Commissioning to TACAIR Fleet Squadron: 2 years, 8 months, 10 days

Am I really this old?

Timelines will have to improve a bunch because there's a pretty stable trend that indicates we'll see over 58% of the 1st service commitment Aviators departing in 2024. Removing CQ with the exception of the E-2 Crews should shorten the TACAIR Pipeline. How much? Who knows, but it's definitely going to be yet another hurdle in the RAGs since CNATRA keeps pushing anything they dare, that was once taught in the Advanced Jet Syllabus, toward those fleet squadrons training plans. However, the way I see it, opportunities for the newest TACAIR SNAs are unmatched these next ten years. Long live PLM ...

I maintain pretty solid inside gouge from NAS Kingsville IPs/SIM guys as well as a RAG IP or two for the TACAIR side. Any "Current Primary/NIFE SNAs" have recent info on their current NIFE wait times from Check-In, as well as pool waiting times between NIFE and Primary (Milton or Corpus)?

 

[AFidk]

The 1985-1987 Commissioning-->SNA-->Fleet Timeline:

22 MAR 1986 - AOCS Commissioning (after 16 weeks of excessive FUN!!)
25 APR 1985 - Started VT-3 Primary in T-34C
13 AUG 1985 - Completed Primary (70.7 Total Hours)
22 OCT 1985 - Started VT-23 Intermediate Jet VT-23 in T-2C
26 MAR 1986 - Completed Intermediate and CQ with 4 Traps on Lex (177.6 Total Hours)
06 MAY 1986 - Started Advanced Jet VT-22 in TA-4J
25 AUG 1986 - Completed CQ with 6 Traps on Lex
26 SEP 1986 - Winged after TacForm and ACM Hops (282.7 Total Hours)
21 DEC 1986 - SERE School American Flag goes up!
30 JAN 1987 - Light Attack Wing One Weapons School (Conventional and Special)
26 FEB 1987 - First A-7E Flight in VA-174 as an ENS
25 NOV 1987 - Completed RAG (453.0 Total Hours)
02 DEC 1987 - First flight with VA-72 in CAG-7 as LTJG
02 DEC 1988 - After 1 yr in a Light Attack w/ 6mo Med Cruise (696.7 Total Hours/88 Traps)

Commissioning to TACAIR Wings: 1 year, 6 months, 4 days
Commissioning to TACAIR Fleet Squadron: 2 years, 8 months, 10 days

Am I really this old?

Timelines will have to improve a bunch because there's a pretty stable trend that indicates we'll see over 58% of the 1st service commitment Aviators departing in 2024. Removing CQ with the exception of the E-2 Crews should shorten the TACAIR Pipeline. How much? Who knows, but it's definitely going to be yet another hurdle in the RAGs since CNATRA keeps pushing anything they dare, that was once taught in the Advanced Jet Syllabus, toward those fleet squadrons training plans. However, the way I see it, opportunities for the newest TACAIR SNAs are unmatched these next ten years. Long live PLM ...

I maintain pretty solid inside gouge from NAS Kingsville IPs/SIM guys as well as a RAG IP or two for the TACAIR side. Any "Current Primary/NIFE SNAs" have recent info on their current NIFE wait times from Check-In, as well as pool waiting times between NIFE and Primary (Milton or Corpus)?

I waited 4 months (Aug 2023-December 2023) from check in to NIFE.

NIFE Dec102023 to March202024. Had a 3 week wait for flight phase in the middle.

Checked into Milton March20. Transferred to VT on April 29. Started ground school May 13.

Currently expecting between 2 and 6 week wait between last contact sim and FAM 0 because of maintenance delay.

Throughout all of this my roommate (who checked into NASP 6 days after me) has been waiting for NIFE, only starting 3 weeks ago. He got lost in the gears or something, so just not a bad idea to periodically inquire/ask stucon if they need anything from you. There may be more current gouge somewhere.

 

[Mouselovr]

I maintain pretty solid inside gouge from NAS Kingsville IPs/SIM guys as well as a RAG IP or two for the TACAIR side. Any "Current Primary/NIFE SNAs" have recent info on their current NIFE wait times from Check-In, as well as pool waiting times between NIFE and Primary (Milton or Corpus)?

I'm a little outdated, but I checked into NASC right as they were realizing they had a real issue on their hands ~2 years ago.
I waited ~7 months to start NIFE which was quick as I checked in before all the academy/ROTC SNAs who waited closer to 9-10 months.

Per the post above, there have been changes to shorten wait times and pipelines that have been effective.

Post NIFE, there has been essentially zero wait time. NIFE grad to starting primary in Corpus (including the move) was less than a month. From selection and being back in Milton to start advance was ~6 weeks.

 

[mhp34]

For what it’s worth, I checked in to Corpus on February 23rd and I start Primary on June 17. The wait to start primary is only getting longer down here.

 

[Skywalker]

The 1985-1987 Commissioning-->SNA-->Fleet Timeline:

22 MAR 1986 - AOCS Commissioning (after 16 weeks of excessive FUN!!)
25 APR 1985 - Started VT-3 Primary in T-34C
13 AUG 1985 - Completed Primary (70.7 Total Hours)
22 OCT 1985 - Started VT-23 Intermediate Jet VT-23 in T-2C
26 MAR 1986 - Completed Intermediate and CQ with 4 Traps on Lex (177.6 Total Hours)
06 MAY 1986 - Started Advanced Jet VT-22 in TA-4J
25 AUG 1986 - Completed CQ with 6 Traps on Lex
26 SEP 1986 - Winged after TacForm and ACM Hops (282.7 Total Hours)
21 DEC 1986 - SERE School American Flag goes up!
30 JAN 1987 - Light Attack Wing One Weapons School (Conventional and Special)
26 FEB 1987 - First A-7E Flight in VA-174 as an ENS

Commissioned to RAG in less than a year? I'm on year 3 and I don't even have wings!

 

[CorsairDriver]

Commissioned to RAG in less than a year? I'm on year 3 and I don't even have wings!

It was a little longer, I Commissioned in 1985, just can't figure out how to EDIT that first post since I munged it up the first time ... Whiteout just not working. Still, one year and 6 months was not unusual back then if you didn't have failures at the boat. There were a handful in both my boat classes ...

22 MAR 1985 - AOCS Commissioning

I'm sure there's more than a Single Seat guy could ever understand in today's seemingly hyper-regulated program. The core functions of Flying the Aircraft well in all flight regimes was kinda the root to Primary and Jet Training back then. We all knew eventually you'd have to get your ass back from the middle of the Gulf after your last TA-4J trap, all by yourself without dying, so I think there's was probably a lot less hand holding back then.

 

[Skywalker]

It was a little longer, I Commissioned in 1985, just can't figure out how to EDIT that first post since I munged it up the first time ... Whiteout just not working. Still, one year and 6 months was not unusual back then if you didn't have failures at the boat. There were a handful in both my boat classes ...

22 MAR 1985 - AOCS Commissioning

I'm sure there's more than a Single Seat guy could ever understand in today's seemingly hyper-regulated program. The core functions of Flying the Aircraft well in all flight regimes was kinda the root to Primary and Jet Training back then. We all knew eventually you'd have to get your ass back from the middle of the Gulf after your last TA-4J trap, all by yourself without dying, so I think there's was probably a lot less hand holding back then.

We still recover from the boat solo.