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First Command Financial Planning: Their Insurance and Mutual Funds Are Rip Offs

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johndd321

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This is for anyone thinking about going through First Command Financial Planning. Do not do it because it is a rip off. There are many better ways to invest and get life insurance. Below is a link where I go into detail about the subject. I explain how they rip you off, show you other ways you can invest, show you that investing is not hard, and show you that you do not need a financial planner. I also provide links to many useful and interesting tools. Don't just take my word for it. You should do your own research. This is too important of a decision not to. Deciding how to invest could affect the rest of your life.

http://www.angelfire.com/journal2/johndd321/

I will also attach two articles one from the Wall Street Journal and the Other from Kiplinger's that both discuss why First Command is way to expensive.
 

johndd321

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Kiplinger’s Personal Finance
Vol 57, Issue 9, Sep 1, 2003, Page(s) 53 (678 words)
by Steven T. Goldberg
(reporter: MAGALI RHEAULT)
- plus CLARIFICATION on page(s) 10, Vol. 58, Issue 1, Jan 1, 2004
All Loaded Up


page 53 | Investing KIPLINGER’S | SEPTEMBER 2003

FUNDS | A marketer is selling funds with SKY-HIGH FEES to military personnel. By Steven T. Goldberg

Our armed forces are being shot at and ambushed in Iraq, and may soon be quelling genocidal warfare in Liberia. The last thing they need is to be sold overpriced investments by the financial-services industry back home. Just ask Air Force Sgt. Michael Proulx. He attended a First Command financial-planning seminar two years ago near Ramstein Air Base in Germany. After a steak-and-schnitzel buffet, the 35-year-old noncom signed up to invest $166 monthly in a Roth IRA with Templeton Capital Accumulator fund. The first year’s sales charge: 50%.
Little-known outside the military, First Command sells a class of mutual funds that levy huge upfront commissions. Some in the military are susceptible to First Command’s pitch, says Richard Ferri, a money manager and retired Marine major, because they have "zero experience" with funds. "What they’re doing is totally legal," says Ferri. "Is it ethical? No." Replies Ivy McLemore of AIM Investments, whose funds are sold by First Command: "It’s a highly principled product."

Wide reach. First Command, which provides financial planning to clients and sells them life insurance, has been in business since 1958. Called United Services Planning Association until 2001, it counts 290,000 active and former military families as clients. The firm’s 221 offices around the globe boast many former service personnel among their representatives.
The company is the largest seller of Fidelity Investments’ two Destiny funds. Under Destiny’s terms, once you pay the 50% sales charge on your first year’s purchase, you can continue to invest the same amount for up to 25 years with no more sales charges. The lion’s share of the commission goes to First Command and its agents.
But critics say so-called systematic, or contractual, plans place investors too deeply in the hole. "It’s like throwing the first five years of returns away," says Don Phillips, Morningstar’s managing director. If you earn 10% per year--the stock market’s long-term average return--it will take you more than seven years just to get back to even on your first year’s investment.
First Command and the companies that offer contractual funds--AIM, Franklin Templeton and Pioneer, in addition to Fidelity--defend the sales charges with this logic: The first-year sales charge imposes the necessary discipline on investors to stick with regular monthly investing. Says AIM spokesman McLemore: "It helps promote the time-tested principle of dollar-cost averaging." Indeed, fund-industry data shows investors tend to stay with contractual funds for long periods, rather than hopscotch frenetically among funds.

A better approach. Maybe so, but there’s a better way to force yourself to practice dollar-cost averaging, a method that is simple, much less expensive and doesn’t handcuff you to a particular fund. Just set up an automatic-purchase program via bank draft. Most of the major no-load-fund companies, and many smaller ones, allow you to do this, and some will even lower their normal minimum initial investments if you agree to such a plan.
The best defense against the First Command sales pitch is to focus on the impact of that first-year charge. That’s what Air Force Master Sgt. John McKeon, 44, did when, during a sales pitch, he was shown a picture of a brick wall--the 50% fee a good soldier must climb to invest in such a plan. But McKeon, based at Offutt Air Force Base near Omaha, Neb., invested elsewhere. "I couldn’t get past that 50% the first year."
--Reporter: MAGALI RHEAULT



page 10 | Letters KIPLINGER’S | JANUARY 2004

CLARIFICATION

An illustration accompanying the article "All Loaded Up" (Sept. 2003) incorrectly reflected on the sales practices and market of the subject of the article, First Command Financial Planning. First Command representatives are not on active duty nor in uniform, do not use coercive sales practices, and serve only senior noncommissioned, warrant and commissioned officers. We regret any implication to the contrary. Also, the time required to recoup the first year’s front load of a systematic mutual fund with monthly investments at a 10% rate of return is 48 months, assuming you include earnings from investments made in subsequent years.
 

DairyCreamer

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johndd,

This is not the appropriate forum to post this sort of material. I would suppose the "Miscellaneous" forum would be a better place for this.

Can an admin please move this thread to an appropriate forum? Thanks!

~Nate
 

Squid

F U Nugget
pilot
Look at his post count, and look at how many posts are in regrds to this topic. It does seem a little strange, eh?

and I was only the 6th person to view his page???
 

mbeaser

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He might be new, but First Command is really something to be wary of. There are a few others as well, I can't remember the names but they all operate the same basic way. I may be a lowly E6, but I'm the departmental career counselor to about 100 people. We do a Career Development Board for every newly reported E6 and below around the 90 days onboard mark. One of the questions we ask each and every one is about financial planning. We get a large percentage who have been sucked in by some smooth talker. If it is an E6 who has researched and feels best about that investing relationship, so be it. But usually it is some poor E1-E3 who got suckered by some smooth talker. These people are frequently retirees who can come on base, so it seems like it is sanctioned by the Navy because they give their speel on base. I really hate how often I see someone climbing up on the backs of my junior personnel. A nugget might have a bit more knowledge than an E1 about what a good or bad investment is, but that doesn't mean no one will get taken in. Remember, taking care of your people is one of the biggest things you will do in the Navy. If you spend some time making sure that everything is okay with them, you'll spend a lot less time at court with them. If you aren't aware of what scams they may run into, then you can't help them.
Missy, IT1 type
 

Gatordev

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I'm not locking this thread, only becaue I'm not a big fan of these fee based investment groups, especially since they tend to prey on the junior sailors. It's valuable knowledge to have. However... Johndd, just be careful with what you're putting in here, especially since when I visited your site, I got all kinds of pop ups.
 

johndd321

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gatordev,

I needed a free website to put my information on. I do not endorse the ads, but they make you have them. Do you have a pop up blocker?

johndd
 

phrogdriver

More humble than you would understand
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I'm not a 1st Command loyalist, but my first mutual fund, which I started shortly after I joined the Marines is through them. They might not be the most cost effective, but they do get servicepeople to invest, which is a good thing. If I hadn't gotten referred by a buddy and gotten their pitch, it would've been a least a couple years longer before my dumb self started saving any money. I'm not starting any new funds through them, but I'm glad I got my start early.
 

Squid

F U Nugget
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well I'm glad some people have added credibility to the story. I've never even heard of 1st command. It was just a little suspicious having a new member put up info in one thread totalling the number of posts he has. I guess I'm still a little weary from the other boards I'm a part of where people register to promote their new website, pen1s-enlarging serum, whatever.

I will keep 1st command in the back of my mind for use later on.
 

webmaster

The Grass is Greener!
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Taking care of your people!

mbeaser said:
Remember, taking care of your people is one of the biggest things you will do in the Navy. If you spend some time making sure that everything is okay with them, you'll spend a lot less time at court with them. If you aren't aware of what scams they may run into, then you can't help them.
Missy, IT1 type
This is the honest truth. There are a million and one scams out there trying to get at the new servicemember's money. From life insurance, to financial planning, to buy this brand new car at 31% interest (the good old days in VA....). It is very easy for anyone, regardless of rank to get way over their head. I have known fellow ensigns during flight school that let the pay get to their heads, and end up living beyond their lifestyle, and it took them a couple years to get out of their mistakes. Same goes for the junior enlisted. When I came in, back in the early 90s, there wasn't as much emphasis on financial planning, sure you had your command financial specialist, but they didn't have any sort of formal training. Now there are a bunch more tools in place, such as CDB to help identify when a sailor is in trouble, or about to get into some.

As for this post, I moved it and didn't feel the pressing need to delete it, as with other over advertisements we have gotten on the forum. I have heard the same stories about First Command. There are quite a few other options available out there, depending on who you want to go through. From Fidelity to Janus, or going through your bank, such as USAA. This is just the tip of the iceberg, but all of them have starter funds that don't require the initial $3k investment (or whatever). As phrogdriver said, the best thing is to GET STARTED!! Even if it is a little a month.
 

Gatordev

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Johndd:

I understand it's a free website, and thus the popups. My concern was similar to ENSSquid's. We've had spammers show up here before, so it was mostly a caution...and not just to you.
 

E5B

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webmaster said:
From Fidelity to Janus, or going through your bank, such as USAA.

Anyone out there deal with the above for investments?
 

Squid

F U Nugget
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I have a roth with USAA. Their mutual funds have a $2k-3k initial investment if you're not opening an IRA. For an IRA, there is is $250 opening investment, with $25(50?)/ month after that. The max for a roth is $3k/year, next year going to $4k I believe. They have some pretty good stuff, some above and some below the averages. Just like most people.

T.Rowe Price, Fidelity, and Janus are big name, with plenty of net worth that they won't be going anywhere for a while. Of course, this does not mean you don't have the possibility to lose money. Remember, interest rates will be going up in the future, so the economy *may* slow, and stocks may have a setback.

caveat: I'm have no econ of finance degree. It's my $0.02 and probably worth less.

Here are the USAA mutual funds: https://www.im.usaa.com/inet/gas_imco/ImMutualFunds
 

E5B

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Thanks. I'm investing elsewhere for now, but I'm looking to start something for my sons education with one of the above mentioned companies.
 
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