Marginal two below event, spin out on runout spilled Dean Martins martini. Ah F-it, Pink Sheet instead.
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F-35B/C Lightning II (Joint Strike Fighter)
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Do you know if the Piper can do a Hornet-1 approach?
Regarding antiquated PARs and reliability of said equipment you can throw in the requirement for spot on controller skills and equipment familiarity. It IS and issue. Ask Lex. And while an ILS would not have helped him because he was not equipped, if the Navy was equipped all the NAS would have to do is flip a switch and you have a 24 hour capability.
Wink- Did controller proficiency play a part in that mishap? Yep. However, I think that the proficiency of a controller that led to a mishap in a foreign-made jet that wasn’t equipped with ILS in super shitty conditions can only provide an emotional argument, not a quantitative one for the topic at hand.
That loss still stings for many. Those of us that were lucky enough to meet him, fight him, or read him will always cherish that.
To those that have reached out via PM, it’s awesome to see that there are folks willing to put in the time to make a difference in a topic that is of concern to them.
Also, @Brett327, don’t exped Gs put ILS in place of ACLS or something similar? Is that transferable to exped USMC jets? FFS, they’re trying to miniaturize an AESA, so why not?
That loss still stings for many. Those of us that were lucky enough to meet him, fight him, or read him will always cherish that.
To those that have reached out via PM, it’s awesome to see that there are folks willing to put in the time to make a difference in a topic that is of concern to them.
Also, @Brett327, don’t exped Gs put ILS in place of ACLS or something similar? Is that transferable to exped USMC jets? FFS, they’re trying to miniaturize an AESA, so why not?
They do. I expect as currently implemented that it's a Rhino only thing, and that the Marines aren't willing to retrofit a legacy platform.
I think we are very close to getting IMC training rules.
Either I'm taking crazy pills, or I remember when I first got to oceana, we had ICLS available for approaches, and possibly even ACLS (not mode 1). Maybe sevenhelmet can comment, it would have been about the time I checked into the squadron and you left for china lake. I also seem to remember there being ICLS available at KNUC when I was doing night FCLPs as a miramar stud.
If true, all of this was in the last 10 years.
If true, all of this was in the last 10 years.
Does anyone know if the PAR parts are completely funded by CNIC? I would guess they are. In the Jax area, the PARs routinely go down and take a minimum of days to get back up because of parts issues (same across the country, I know). It would be interesting to know the annual CNIC budget to fix GCA gear Navy-wide and what the offset would be compared to what it would cost to fund ILS in fleet aircraft, which at this point, we're pretty much talking about Hornets and Romeos.
I'm sure the aircraft side would still be more expensive initially, but at least there'd be minimal introduction costs since both platforms have an ILS baseline already established.
I'm sure the aircraft side would still be more expensive initially, but at least there'd be minimal introduction costs since both platforms have an ILS baseline already established.
We put civilian ILS in Legacy Hornets at Cecil for the Blues mod. It is not difficult or costly. It’s a box and antenna swap. Takes a whole day including the testing and verification with a test set owned by......the Navy. Swapping from civilian to carrier ILS systems is NOT difficult, expensive, time consuming or impossible. Just saying.
Individual units, no, but buying enough for the entire fleet adds up. As I've said in previous threads, I'm pro-ILS, but I understand the finite resources available.
Can confirm, both ICLS and ACLS. Prior to the 2011 cruise we even coupled up to ACLS for training at the field, just so every pilot in the squadron knew how to do it. We also had "USS Oceana" nights where everyone would hold at TABUE and shoot a CV-1 approach to the active runway with assigned push times.
It was about as much fun as you are imagining right now.
Lemoore had ICLS too, along with its own “boat at the field” procedures that I’ve never heard of used. Did the ICLS get taken down or is it still there?