Europe under extreme duress

[Max the Mad Russian]

Looks like something or someone blew up a Russian air base on in Crimea

Nobody asks me but... Poor guy's TLAMs based on antiship missiles are obviously converting antiship missiles as such into it. Rumors are these were either land-based SLAMs (not mentioned in list of arms) or local derivatives such as Neptune with GPS guidance. Good news is that nobody neither denies nor confirms

 

[Hair Warrior]

“He who has the [ energy / food / water / data ] has the strength. He who has the strength makes the rules.”

If you don’t want to be speaking Mandarin in 50 years, don’t hamstring your own nation for some wokeness that has been disproven by science. Examples include: banning gasoline engine cars, shutting down Canada/US natgas production and pipelines, blocking and burdening your local farmers, and directly giving or selling your data, your technology, and your farmland to China.

These US self-imposed constraints on oil and gas are going to be a big problem this winter when Russia is holding Europe hostage over natgas and other energy needs. In an alternate universe, the US would be a net exporter and energy guarantor of Europe’s energy needs.

 

[Flash]

If you don’t want to be speaking Mandarin in 50 years, don’t hamstring your own nation for some wokeness that has been disproven by science. Examples include: banning gasoline engine cars, shutting down Canada/US natgas production and pipelines, blocking and burdening your local farmers, and directly giving or selling your data, your technology, and your farmland to China.

Say what?

These US self-imposed constraints on oil and gas are going to be a big problem this winter when Russia is holding Europe hostage over natgas and other energy needs. In an alternate universe, the US would be a net exporter and energy guarantor of Europe’s energy needs.

I don't think in any realistic universe would the US and Canada have been a 'guarantor of Europe's energy needs' prior to the last few months. To start with there ain't an ocean between Russia and 'mainland' Europe. Then there is the legacy pre-1991 energy infrastructure that was built to ensure that not only was much of Europe dependent on Russian gas that was coupled with and helped support Germany's 50 year policy of 'Ostpolitik' (and supported by their western European allies) that explicitly tied their dependence on gas to Russia as an incentive to preventing conflict. They clung to that policy through thick and think conservative and socialist-led governments, until February of this year.

So yeah, our domestic energy policy decisions have had little to no impact on European energy policy. Even then, government always plays a a very large role in energy policy no matter where you are in the world and believe it or not ours happens to be one of the more permissive.

 

[Hair Warrior]

Say what?



I don't think in any realistic universe would the US and Canada have been a 'guarantor of Europe's energy needs' prior to the last few months. To start with there ain't an ocean between Russia and 'mainland' Europe. Then there is the legacy pre-1991 energy infrastructure that was built to ensure that not only was much of Europe dependent on Russian gas that was coupled with and helped support Germany's 50 year policy of 'Ostpolitik' (and supported by their western European allies) that explicitly tied their dependence on gas to Russia as an incentive to preventing conflict. They clung to that policy through thick and think conservative and socialist-led governments, until February of this year.

So yeah, our domestic energy policy decisions have had little to no impact on European energy policy. Even then, government always plays a a very large role in energy policy no matter where you are in the world and believe it or not ours happens to be one of the more permissive.

Federal judge cites climate crisis in decision to cancel oil and gas leases in Gulf of Mexico | CNN Politics

A federal judge on Thursday invalidated a massive oil and gas lease sale for 80 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico after a coalition of environmental groups sued the Biden administration to stop it.

www.cnn.com

Just because North America is unlikely to wholly meet Europe’s energy needs, does not mean the US and Canada shouldn’t try to increase the share of Europe’s energy needs that we can address.

Self-canceling our energy production, and self-canceling our food production (see the Netherlands’ farmers topic in the “Cow” thread), are bad policy with bad outcomes where the impetus was based on wrong data.

We want to have a surplus of energy and a surplus of food, to ease whatever amount of duress Europe is under, no? And we want Europe to make as much food and energy for themselves as they can, no?

 

[Flash]

Federal judge cites climate crisis in decision to cancel oil and gas leases in Gulf of Mexico | CNN Politics

A federal judge on Thursday invalidated a massive oil and gas lease sale for 80 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico after a coalition of environmental groups sued the Biden administration to stop it.

www.cnn.com

Just because North America is unlikely to wholly meet Europe’s energy needs, does not mean the US and Canada shouldn’t try to increase the share of Europe’s energy needs that we can address.

That kind of infrastructure takes years to create and that is just building it, and that is not taking into account the regulatory and safety hurdles involved (for very good reasons BTW). To replace a supply system and infrastructure that has existed for close to 50 years in some areas will take years to replace, so making claims like this:

These US self-imposed constraints on oil and gas are going to be a big problem this winter when Russia is holding Europe hostage over natgas and other energy needs. In an alternate universe, the US would be a net exporter and energy guarantor of Europe’s energy needs.

Are wildly inaccurate.

Self-canceling our energy production, and self-canceling our food production (see the Netherlands’ farmers topic in the “Cow” thread), are bad policy with bad outcomes where the impetus was based on wrong data.

Since when are we 'self-canceling' our food production? Using a tiny country like the Netherlands, that does have some significant issues with its beef industry that have led to those restrictions, and somehow saying it applies to our domestic agriculture policy is nothing more than Pollyannaish alarmism. I am by no expert in agriculture policy but I think you'll be hard pressed to find a major agricultural producer that where farmers are as free as ours when it comes to deciding what and how to produce on their farms.

 

[Hair Warrior]

The riots in Sri Lanka are not alarm-worthy? The Obama era meatless school lunch attempt is not eye opening? “Right to repair” protests of John Deere proprietary software in Minnesota are not eye opening?

The train of veganism and food control is rolling down the hill toward a cliff. Sure, it’s rolling slowly at the moment, but the farther it goes unchecked the harder it will be to stop and reverse. The green left is trying to cancel meat and that is a matter of fact, not opinion.

 

[Flash]

The riots in Sri Lanka are not alarm-worthy?

You mean the pervasive corruption that wrecked the economy coupled with a misguided and immediate halt to importing fertilizer, which was largely subsidized by the government BTW, cutting agricultural yields. Of course it is alarm-worthy, for Sri Lanka. If you hadn't noticed though we aren't Sri Lanka though, and not just because we aren't an island nation located in the Indian Ocean.

Oh, you mean because that might happen here?! Of course, it is on the list of things to do by our woke-lefty overlords right after they come and take your guns.

The Obama era meatless school lunch attempt is not eye opening?

Ummmm...no.

“Right to repair” protests of John Deere proprietary software in Minnesota are not eye opening?

Now this is something of legitimate concern but it by no means limited to agricultural related stuff. This is why we end up with government regulations and laws, for good reason, and it will likely happen sooner or later. But hey, at least the Russians found out the hard way about this issue.

The train of veganism and food control is rolling down the hill toward a cliff. Sure, it’s rolling slowly at the moment, but the farther it goes unchecked the harder it will be to stop and reverse. The green left is trying to cancel meat and that is a matter of fact, not opinion.

 

[Brett327]

The riots in Sri Lanka are not alarm-worthy? The Obama era meatless school lunch attempt is not eye opening? “Right to repair” protests of John Deere proprietary software in Minnesota are not eye opening?

The train of veganism and food control is rolling down the hill toward a cliff. Sure, it’s rolling slowly at the moment, but the farther it goes unchecked the harder it will be to stop and reverse. The green left is trying to cancel meat and that is a matter of fact, not opinion.

Unhinged much? If you really believe this nonsense, I worry about your sanity.

 

[Hair Warrior]

Unhinged much? If you really believe this nonsense, I worry about your sanity.

Sanity-questioning me again with zero backup? Cool bro. Right back at you, if you don’t believe any of what the left is saying about cows. Maybe you aren’t paying attention to the news coverage of - and direct, open statements - from the green left wing (from left side news outlets):

Bill Gates Wants Us to Eat 100% Synthetic Beef. He Has a Point.

and yes, his opinion matters, because he is a huge donor of Democrats, as well as one of the largest farmland-owners in the US.

Is Meat Reduction a Part of NYC's 'Green New Deal'? | PETA

New York City has passed its own Green New Deal—but how tough are the Big Apple's measures against the environmentally destructive meat industry?

www.peta.org

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/green-new-deal-proposal-breakdown/index.html

read the section on Cows.

 

[Flash]

Bill Gates Wants Us to Eat 100% Synthetic Beef. He Has a Point.

and yes, his opinion matters, because he is a huge donor of Democrats, as well as one of the largest farmland-owners in the US.

The key words you are looking for are "one of", as in he is one of thousands of farm owners and the amount of farmland he owns is a fraction of a percent of the total farmland in this country. So his opinion matters, but so does the opinion of the other thousands upon thousands of farm owners in this country.

As for 'donating Democrats', lots of folks donate giving them an outsized voice but that doesn't mean they dictate policy. That is especially true of unpopular polices.

Is Meat Reduction a Part of NYC's 'Green New Deal'? | PETA

New York City has passed its own Green New Deal—but how tough are the Big Apple's measures against the environmentally destructive meat industry?

www.peta.org

PETA? You actually cited PETA to show a supposed threat to agricultural policy?!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/green-new-deal-proposal-breakdown/index.html

read the section on Cows.

Remind me how far the 'Green New Deal' got? Anywhere beyond the bright idea stage? Right now that has about the same chances of passing as the proposal to 'sundown' every federal law every 5 years.

 

[Hair Warrior]

The key words you are looking for are "one of", as in he is one of thousands of farm owners and the amount of farmland he owns is a fraction of a percent of the total farmland in this country. So his opinion matters, but so does the opinion of the other thousands upon thousands of farm owners in this country.

As for 'donating Democrats', lots of folks donate giving them an outsized voice but that doesn't mean they dictate policy. That is especially true of unpopular polices.

Top 10 Largest Farmland Owners In The US In 2023

Here is a list of the top farmland owners in the United States based on information available to the general public.

www.farmlandriches.com

He’s ranked #1 on this list.

PETA? You actually cited PETA to show a supposed threat to agricultural policy?!

I cited PETA because they are, objectively, part of the green left. This is what the green left is saying. This is what the green left is pursuing. On their own website.

Remind me how far the 'Green New Deal' got? Anywhere beyond the bright idea stage? Right now that has about the same chances of passing as the proposal to 'sundown' every federal law every 5 years.

It’s proposed legislation, so it goes to what the legislative agenda that Congress is actively pursuing. The current legislative session is still ongoing, so it can be revived between now and January, or reintroduced in a new legislative session.

 

[Flash]

Top 10 Largest Farmland Owners In The US In 2023

Here is a list of the top farmland owners in the United States based on information available to the general public.

www.farmlandriches.com

He’s ranked #1 on this list.

He owns 242,000 acres out of 915,000,000 acres, or ~0.0002645% of the total farmland in this country. Those kinds of numbers make me fear for a meatless burger future as well.

I cited PETA because they are, objectively, part of the green left. This is what the green left is saying. This is what the green left is pursuing. On their own website.

I also fear the awesome power of PETA and the green left in their pursuit to make us all locally-sourced, organically-farmed vegans. When one thinks of effective advocacy organizations PETA certainly comes to mind, changing the world one nude D-list actress at a time.

It’s proposed legislation, so it goes to what the legislative agenda that Congress is actively pursuing. The current legislative session is still ongoing, so it can be revived between now and January, or reintroduced in a new legislative session.

Wow, learn new something new every day. Thanks Bill!



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[sevenhelmet]

Is this AW, or Reddit? I can't tell the difference anymore.

 

[nittany03]

Is this AW, or Reddit? I can't tell the difference anymore.

Seriously, how did this thread derail so quickly? And without even any autistic Bulgarians demanding HARM capes?

 

[Brett327]

Sanity-questioning me again with zero backup? Cool bro. Right back at you, if you don’t believe any of what the left is saying about cows. Maybe you aren’t paying attention to the news coverage of - and direct, open statements - from the green left wing (from left side news outlets):

Bill Gates Wants Us to Eat 100% Synthetic Beef. He Has a Point.

and yes, his opinion matters, because he is a huge donor of Democrats, as well as one of the largest farmland-owners in the US.

Is Meat Reduction a Part of NYC's 'Green New Deal'? | PETA

New York City has passed its own Green New Deal—but how tough are the Big Apple's measures against the environmentally destructive meat industry?

www.peta.org

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/14/politics/green-new-deal-proposal-breakdown/index.html

read the section on Cows.

What would backup look like, exactly? A clinical diagnosis from a psychiatrist? I can help you make an appointment, if you’d like. This certainly isn’t the first time you’ve spouted paranoid “the leftists are coming for my (insert thing HW likes) gibberish.” I guess on some level it’s amusing, but you seem to see a partisan (or extraterrestrial) bogeyman around every corner. Probably not the most rational or healthy approach to living one’s life. You should probably do something about that.