This is just bad form, MB - Shame on you. She didn't do anything to deserve anyone's wrath, and from all all accounts, she is a champion for a host of verteran's causes.
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Et Tu, Petraeus?
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MasterBates
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I have no shame. I call things as I see them, which is all any of us can do.
I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, and neither do you.
I don't know what was going on behind the scenes, and neither do you.
FlyingOnFumes
Nobel WAR Prize Aspirant
The extended version is even more hysterical to watch...
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/w...--push-up-contest-to-benefit-wounded-veterans
Also, we now know what she meant when she told Sean Hannity about learning "Strategic Leadership Lessons" while she was over there interviewing him for the book...
Holly was a cutie for her time...
He had brass balls even back then and cleary developed a taste for "high stakes" game back then by going after the Superintendant's daughter at "Woo Poo U"...
For the general being known as a very athletic individual, his wife doesn't seem to share that interest.
I don't care that he had an affair. I've always thought that's best left to people and their families to figure out. Obviously it hurts his image as a leader, but he's only human. He's served 40 years, done amazing work, and was otherwise a "golden boy" throughout all that time. Who here can say they could ever have done as much as he did? If this really was just about an affair, I'll be very disappointed. What a lame reason to end such a long and distinguished career.
I don't care that he had an affair. I've always thought that's best left to people and their families to figure out. Obviously it hurts his image as a leader, but he's only human. He's served 40 years, done amazing work, and was otherwise a "golden boy" throughout all that time. Who here can say they could ever have done as much as he did? If this really was just about an affair, I'll be very disappointed. What a lame reason to end such a long and distinguished career.
FlyingOnFumes
Nobel WAR Prize Aspirant
I think the best quote is from the USAFA underground magazine's (eDoDo: Online and Underground) Rumor Mill forum: http://www.edodo.org/rumormill/8-current-news/8247-bye-bye-gen-petraeus
http://www.edodo.org/rumormill/8-current-news/8247-bye-bye-gen-petraeus#10112
"If the nation's top spy can't f*** someone secretly, he ought not be our top spy.
Conversely: not even our nation's top spy can secretly f*** someone [anymore]. "
http://www.edodo.org/rumormill/8-current-news/8247-bye-bye-gen-petraeus#10112
"If the nation's top spy can't f*** someone secretly, he ought not be our top spy.
Conversely: not even our nation's top spy can secretly f*** someone [anymore]. "
On a personal level, I don't care that he had an affair. If he didn't dig his wife anymore, he should have gotten a separation, started a divorce, openly taken this biscuit as a concubine, whatever. As a senior general and CIA director, he was privvy to about every secret the US has. A secret affair put him at risk of compromise. Should he be keelhauled, punished, etc? No. But he couldn't in good conscience retain his position, either. That it took the FBI to out him is disturbing.
FlyingOnFumes
Nobel WAR Prize Aspirant
What about the whole deal that he was getting his "shag" on with Broadwell as a man of honor ("on her"?), when the troops under him had to relegated to the indignity of "combat jacks" in the shitter with well worn, past issues of contraband porno as consolation for being separated from their spouses?
I think the biggest travesty is he's now given these mofos at MoveOn.org some sort of vindication of their character assination of him. Those a**holes are probably doing victory rolls right now:
One thing's for sure: Pres. Bill Clinton and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger are probably both saying "YES!!!!! We're not the only ones!!!" and John Edwards is saying: "SON OF A BITCH!!!!"
Did anyone else take note of the double entendre comment when she talked about one of their first interviews on a run?
"...needless to say I didn't transcribe that interview. It was just a whole bunch of heavy breathing..."
I kind of went "south park" when I heard it .... "nice..." *head bob*
EDIT: googled Petraeus's wife (and of course Broadwell), and I have to agree. I can see how he ended up thinking with his dick.
That aside, in all seriousness, as much as people may make joking comments about two-tacan rules, "det doesn't count" or whatever nonsense they use to justify infidelity, that is pretty much a black and white area and a pretty good indicator of poor character. I don't care what the situation is. There's no reason to cheat on your wife. If you don't want to be married but don't want to stir up a shit storm, do the RIGHT (read: tough) thing and get divorced. If you want to be married, AND want to bang other women: you're a piece of shit. I think the vast majority of cheaters are probably close to category 1.
Disagree. As much as I don't give a shit about his or anyone else's personal life, resigning was absolutely the right call. Anything that even resembles a skeleton in the closet makes you vulnerable to exploitation, and a man with those kinds of secrets can't have people with leverage over him.
Once again, your nuanced and experienced world view adds some real depth of understanding here......said the guy who's been marred half your lifetime to the single dude.
You have no idea what goes on in a marriage. Period.
Let's not devolve this thread into a marriage discussion. Suffice it to say there are some moral truths that are self evident. Common decency comes to mind. We are all a product of our upbringing and experience. Infidelity is one of the worst types of completely unnecessary and hurtful deceptions. It's certainly not the easy thing to do, but if you aren't willing to live up to your end, then end it. PERIOD.
I have no idea what goes on in marriage firsthand, no, but I'd love to hear from some others where cheating is somehow "OK" or "forgivable".
ALL that aside, I think that what was stated above is the point as it pertains to this thread. Having skeletons in your closet is a serious liability for a man holding some of the nations most important and delicate secrets. Not to mention, as someone at the very top of the food chain, both civilian and military, his professional career HAS to suffer, lest some junior enlisted or civilian personnel see nothing come of this and see acquiescence as condoning. It's just a bad example to set. As we all know these days, right or wrong, when it comes to the highest ranks the slightest hint of impropriety means heads must roll
I didn't say "OK" or "forgivable" either...see my post about Lance Armstrong and General Petraeus earlier in the post...what I did say is you have ZERO understanding of what it's like to be married to someone. You seem to have thought I misunderstood you earlier...I didn't. I think you are wrong. You have no idea what a marriage can push someone to do and further, no concept of what a marriage can tolerate. You brought it up. That seems stupid.
Maybe it was a miscommunication, but I didn't say what a marriage can tolerate, only that people who betray marriage aren't of good character.... at least in one aspect of their character, anyway. I didn't speak from the position of experience. I only voiced an opinion: one I don't have to be married to make.
As I don't post a lot on here, let me first start off with my "marriage resume." I've been married for 8.5 years with 2 deployments and 1.5 kids. I also had a military parent who couldn't stay faithful and much deservedly got shown the door.
What a marriage can "push you to do?" If a marriage is "pushing" you to cheat on your spouse, why are you married? Are you trying to argue that it's not the individuals fault, but the marriages fault? Are you trying to say that if things are so screwed up in a marriage that the best way to get things back on track is to have sex with an individual outside said marriage?
What a marriage can tolerate? If having outside partners isn't an agreed upon condition of a marriage, I'm pretty sure it won't tolerate cheating. Yes, couples can move on from the infidelity but is the trust really ever back to 100%?
What a marriage can "push you to do?" If a marriage is "pushing" you to cheat on your spouse, why are you married? Are you trying to argue that it's not the individuals fault, but the marriages fault? Are you trying to say that if things are so screwed up in a marriage that the best way to get things back on track is to have sex with an individual outside said marriage?
What a marriage can tolerate? If having outside partners isn't an agreed upon condition of a marriage, I'm pretty sure it won't tolerate cheating. Yes, couples can move on from the infidelity but is the trust really ever back to 100%?
