EP's

[raptor10]

I wish my roommates had never seen that movie...

 

[Harrier Dude]

As I started reading your post, I was sure you were going to say "and if you're wrong, you show them the brain..." (underrated flick BTW)

The brain would be optional. So would calling them a f*&^%$. Also, chicks would have a hard time with "the brain".

 

[Harrier Dude]

You know, we laugh about all of this, but I was thinking about it and realized that I can still recite verbatim the HAPL/LAPL EP, the T-34 start checklist, and every landing checklist of every plane I've ever flown (barring some unlikely NATOPS changes in the last 11 years).

Maybe I need to free up some space on my mental hard drive. I can't remember peoples names 5 seconds after I meet them.

 

[Chubby]

The brain would be optional. So would calling them a f*&^%$. Also, chicks would have a hard time with "the brain".

It's better than "The Goat".

 

[phrogpilot73]

You know, we laugh about all of this, but I was thinking about it and realized that I can still recite verbatim the HAPL/LAPL EP, the T-34 start checklist, and every landing checklist of every plane I've ever flown (barring some unlikely NATOPS changes in the last 11 years).

Maybe I need to free up some space on my mental hard drive. I can't remember peoples names 5 seconds after I meet them.

Wow, that explains alot about you jet guys. I can barely remember the EPs for the Phrog... I data dumped the others to make room for the new stuff. Landing checklist is pretty simple for the Phrog - no retractable gear, no flaps, just make sure that you keep the spinning side up and the leaking side down.

Also - don't forget the old adage "If it's red, yellow, or dusty, think long and hard before touching it."

 

[arbor]

Maybe you could combine that with the system from the movie "Waiting".

We're always looking for new ideas, so next time you're bored, sitting around, play with your EP's, see what you can come up with!

 

[sniksnak]

Ladies and Gents,

I am classing up at Whiting soon and I was wondering what types of study methods people used to learn their EP's.

S/F

Try your IPOD.

I recorded all the EPs as audio files, put them on my IPOD, and listened to them while driving or doing household chores ... you'd be surprised how well it works. notes, warnings, cautions - verbatim - become pretty easy after hearing them and reciting them over and over and over.

i made flash cards too, but i found the main advantage of the recorded EPs was i could do them while doing other tasks and didn't have to read from a page. also, it was pretty challenging initially to keep up with the pace of the recorded EPs ... after a while, spitting them out quickly became 2nd nature.

for most hops in primary that had "any EP" as a briefing item, i found the IPs usually wouldn't ask anything, or would ask something simple like "strike of ground object." but the occasional times an IP did ask me one out of the blue, they were usually surprised to hear it rattled off verbatim.

 

[TurnandBurn55]

Running... if I have a partner running with me, at random times they go ahead and shoot me an EP... take off into a sprint as soon as that happens and fire off the boldface

Pain is the best motivator

 

[A4sForever]

... EP... ....Pain is the best motivator

Second only to dying --- if you don't know them ....

 

[Postal]

While you are learning the EP's using whatever method, dig through the big blue sleeping pill know as NATOPS and learn why you are doing each step. It is one thing to memorize each step, it is another to know why you are doing each step.

Also insert as step one to each EP to say OH SH!t. You laugh but you will find yourself doing it.

 

[A4sForever]

..... learn why you are doing each step. It is one thing to memorize each step, it is another to know why you are doing each step....

That's it. Well said. Pay attention to the above, folks. IT is the key. I have been saying, doing, and teaching this for over 35 years: i.e., KNOW WHY you are doing each step. It sounds easy enough ... but it's simplicity eludes a lot of guys.

If you put your system knowledge(s) together with basic airmanship and tie it all together with situational awareness --- you won't have to "memorize" a cold, inert set of procedures. You will, as it were ... KNOW them.

 

[Postal]

If you put your system knowledge(s) together with basic airmanship and tie it all together with situational awareness --- you won't have to "memorize" a cold, inert set of procedures. You will, as it were ... KNOW them.
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Another point that was brought up is systems knowledge. Sometimes the published EP will not be the solution in complex emergencies. You may have to improvise to bring the aircraft home. Remember-this from a Harrier Bubba-if the motor is still running and the sky is above...you are still flying. In other words, never quit flying the aircraft while doing the EP's.

 

[A4sForever]

.....Sometimes the published EP will not be the solution in complex emergencies. You may have to improvise to bring the aircraft home....

Exactly ... and that is one of the weaknesses of contemporary "emergency" training. They teach you to regurgitate --- not to think.

When I was checking and training, I use to give a B747 simulator problem which started with explosive/emergency decompression from the loss of the forward cargo door, emergency descent, FOD engines #3 and #4 on the way down ... again, not to check ... but to get the crews to "think". One of the ACDO FAA "examiners" didn't like that approach and told me not to do that anymore --- it was "unrealistic" ... and wasn't in the "book".

Then 6 months later ... UAL 811 happened:

(From UAL Flight 811 Accident Report NTSB)
UAL Flight 811 was a scheduled passenger flight from Los Angeles to Sydney, Australia, with stops in Honolulu, Hi and Auckland, New Zealand. The flight was uneventful until after departure from Honolulu. While climbing from FL220 to FL230 the crew heard a "Thump" followed by an explosion. An explosive decompression was experienced and the #3 and #4 engines were shutdown because of FOD. The FLT returned to Honolulu and passengers were evacuated. Inspection revealed the forward lower lobe cargo door departed inflight causing extensive damage to the fuselage and cabin adjacent to the door. Investigation centered around design and certification of the door which allowed it to be improperly latched, and the operation and maintenance to assure airworthiness of the door and latching mechanism.

Additional information extracted from report: Front cargo door found in two pieces. Crew erroneously reported bomb onboard to tower after hearing explosion. Radar tracked door down to ocean contact. Recorders played loud bang/sound then silence. Nine passengers were ejected and lost at sea. The aircraft was a Boeing 747-122, an early 747 with high flight time and flight cycles.

I saw the UAL "hulk" on the ramp @ Honolulu for months afterwards ... it reminded me of the correctness of the approach I was teaching. These UAL guys did not have a "procedure" to get them home --- they improvised, patched some prodedures for a crippled aircraft together, and saved all of their passengers who were not lost in the initial door structural failure.

Several months later, I happened upon the FED who had not liked my teaching methods. I asked him if he was aware of the situation with UAL 811 ... when he said "yes" ... I asked: "Well then, how do you like me now .... ??"

As he never showed up for any more of my simulator periods, I considered my training methods to be effective.

 

[Harrier Dude]

You sound like the sim instructor from HELL! Maybe the 5th horseman of the Appocalypse (with Yeller, Jack Douglas, et al from Meridian)?

I agree completely. Try stuff in the sim that you would NEVER try in real life just for practice. You never know what might happen. I lost all control of my only engine (stuck inputs, but slowly decreasing RPM) for which there isn't really an EP since "it can't happen with all the back-ups". I've also shot an approach 0/0 to the boat at night. I believe practicing this type of thing in the sim from time to time is why it worked out.

As an instructor, I had students deal with seemingly impossible emergencies just as a exposure item (not for a grade) just to get them to apply a thought process. You just never know what's going to happen.

 

[SemperGumbi]

Maybe I need to free up some space on my mental hard drive. I can't remember peoples names 5 seconds after I meet them.

Try making notecards.