Dual Citizenship

[flyinguga]

Hi All,

I am both a British and American citizen, does anyone know what is the latest deal with requiring you renounce all other citizenships but your American? I found some posts where people kept their other citizenship in addition to their American when they commissioned. Is this still the case? I would like to keep my British passport incase I decide to work in Europe after I get out.

I have done some searching on the forums, and all the info I can find is a little old. Anyone have any new info?

Thanks!

 

[raptor10]

no gouge, just a friend of mines two cents

There can be no fifty-fifty Americanism in this country. There is room here for only 100 percent. Americanism, only for those who are Americans and nothing else.
- Teddy Roosevelt

 

[123Fly]

I am British and American also, my OSO made sure I knew I had to give mine up. Not tht I really care. My brother was in the Army and gave his up.

 

[Brett327]

no gouge, just a friend of mines two cents

My level of annoyance with you is growing by leaps and bounds.

Brett

 

[TheBubba]

Hi All,

I am both a British and American citizen, does anyone know what is the latest deal with requiring you renounce all other citizenships but your American? I found some posts where people kept their other citizenship in addition to their American when they commissioned. Is this still the case? I would like to keep my British passport incase I decide to work in Europe after I get out.

I have done some searching on the forums, and all the info I can find is a little old. Anyone have any new info?

Thanks!

You have to give it up. I have a friend who has dual US-Brasilian citizenship. She's getting commissioned in May of '07 and was told she had to renounce her Brasilian citizenship before she started her senior year, or it could (best case scenario) delay her commissioning. Her little brother (who gets commissioned in May of '09) is in the same boat.

Taking a commission in any branch of the US Military is pretty much saying "I'm a citizen of the US, and of the US only." Its actually like that in alot of countries. You cannot be an officer in the military with out your citizenship being exclusively that nation.

Hope it helps,
Bubba

 

[Thisguy]

i'm dual with canada and I am giving mine up.

Man, that's a tough call. Now you won't be able to compete for Canada in ice-dancing on your home turf in 2010.

 

[powder]

The U.S. has varying agreements with each nation. The best place to look would be on the British consular website to the U.S. Just google something along the lines of "British embassy United States" and it should come up. They'll undoubtedly have a section on citizenship requirements, including dual citizenship. I was in somewhat of the same boat with German/U.S. dual citizenship. The laws vary, but I'm pretty sure that U.S./German and U.S./British agreements are similar. It's not like you're U.S./Iranian or something along those lines. Usually, voluntarily joining the armed forces of one nation will renounce your citizenship of the other. This is not because the U.S. requires it (there are lots of non-citizens in the U.S. military) but it's the other country that says you've given it up. I know with Germany, since we're pretty close allies, there are provisions to still keep your dual-citizenship if you get prior written permission by the German Department of Defense to join the U.S. military. That's what I did, but be prepared for a few months of paperwork. The U.S and Britain might have something similar. It's worth checking into if you're really serious about keeping both.

 

[powder]

One thing about my above post. While the dual-citizenship isn't going to be a big deal as far as being in the military, I don't know how it would affect your security clearance. I had no problem obtaining a TS (SCI) with German/U.S. citizenship, so I don't think U.S./British is going to be a big deal either. Just throwing it out there.

 

[Thisguy]

in my mind it was easy...I havent been there in years..I HATE canada and I just wish I could call up some head official of canada and tell him to go fvck himself, but unfortunately that won't cancel my citizenship. I have to fill out paperwork and wait months to do that...damn c'nucks..

Josh

BLAME CANADA!

Off topic, did you guys hear that Isaac Hayes quit south park? Apparently, that scientology episode pissed him off.

 

[gtg941f]

BLAME CANADA!

Off topic, did you guys hear that Isaac Hayes quit south park? Apparently, that scientology episode pissed him off.

...and they killed Chef in last weeks episode

As far as this thread goes, everything said is true about having to renounce your citizenship. I just recently renounced my Canadian citizenship (no big deal :sleep_125 )

 

[Flash]

One thing about my above post. While the dual-citizenship isn't going to be a big deal as far as being in the military, I don't know how it would affect your security clearance. I had no problem obtaining a TS (SCI) with German/U.S. citizenship, so I don't think U.S./British is going to be a big deal either. Just throwing it out there.

That is a new one to me. I have known several guys who have had to renounce their citizenship from another country in order to get a TS SCI (all of them friendly countries). I had to go through some seroious a@# pain just to get married to a foreigner.

And the civilians (government and contractor) I have seen have been put through even more than most military guys. What exactly do you do?

Personally, if you have a clearance that is the way it should be, none of this split loyalty stuff, even with our "allies". Just take a look at Johnathan Pollard.

 

[gtg941f]

hey gtg...I even asked again after In was final select, and they said I have over a year to do it so no big deal. I swore in, signed the contract and not even a word about my citizenship during the process...go figure...I'm still finishing up the renunciation paperwork now. Definitely going to be renounced before next summer!

Josh

Sounds good buddy! Make certain that it's renounced before OCS begins...just in case Should take around 6mnths. Also, with your renunciation paperwork get your CO to write a letter requesting expedited processing for good measure.

My addendum states that if I wasn't renounced, I'd be sent off to the RTC in PA

I haven't received my OCS date yet because they actually scheduled me for a class that started this past March I'll let you know what my date is when I get it. Maybe we'll be together.

 

[gtg941f]

RTC?? do tell. Is that recruit training? YIKES! I'll be sure to get that paperwork in STAT! Hope we class up together!

Josh

P.S. In all fairness, I had my OCS date as June 7 2008 when I got my letter...a quick call from the processer to the powers that be got me the June 9 2007 date. No worries.

Yeah, RTC is the recruit training center :indiffere

Just got my OCS date: July 14th 2007

Who knows if these dates are locked in yet. My NRD told me that they could quite possibly move up if there's empty slots and I'm just waiting around after graduation. I may like the mini-vacation especially being a BDCPer and all. :icon_wink

 

[gtg941f]

ya I think I squeaked into an open slot with June 9th cuz I know someone who has been in the program MUCH longer than I have and I think he had july 14th or so, so you two will be close together if not in the same class and I'll do my best to help you guys! : P

Josh

P.S. I think I just need to get my pic taken for the citizenship paper then send off the packet (probably gonna head over to walmart) the question I have is what did you use to prove you are or "will become" a citizen of the US since they said passport is not acceptable for citizenship documentation??

Just a heads up so you don't waste your time going to walmart. if you'll notice on the application that the passport standard is completely different for renunciation (the slender picture with a signature bar). I personally had to contact the local consulate because I couldn't find a place that could do a custom passport photo. Ended up having to go to this little mom and pops store (after running around with my head cut off for days trying to get somebody else to do it).

I included copies of my drivers license, both canadian and american passports as well as my birth certificate. For many people, an American passport is the only proof of American citizenship, especially if you were naturalized as a minor. My consulate advisor said they "may" need an official certificate of citizenship which you have to apply for and costs $200+ in addition to waiting. In the end though, she said that if you put up a big enough fight regarding passport being sufficient, they typically push it through. The american government claims that as proof of citizenship so some foreign goverment can just piss off! :icon_rage You may want to just submit what you have and apply for the "official" proof just in case.

You'll likely be two classes ahead of me and your buddy so that'll be pretty cool. With our dates so close it's VERY likely that we could class up together in API/Primary :icon_smil

 

[petescheu]

That is a new one to me. I have known several guys who have had to renounce their citizenship from another country in order to get a TS SCI (all of them friendly countries). I had to go through some seroious a@# pain just to get married to a foreigner.

And the civilians (government and contractor) I have seen have been put through even more than most military guys. What exactly do you do?

Personally, if you have a clearance that is the way it should be, none of this split loyalty stuff, even with our "allies". Just take a look at Johnathan Pollard.

Yeah got a friend who had a dual one as well (either British or NZ, can't remember) and they were not keen on that when it came to his EPSQ and TS/SCI clearance. He had to renounce his non-US one. That really surprises me that a dual citizenship could get a TS/SCI... I agree with Flash, TS/SCI should be for US only. Esp at the TS level...