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Honour_Class

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Two things:

1.) I would personally report it. Honesty is the basis of the military. If it helps I have a drug waiver and it is no big deal. No one will know/care after your initial MEPS work-up.

2.) They do interview your friends. More so, those people your friends name. There is a very good chance that anything you are trying to cover up will come to light when DSA investigates. Worse, they are so backlogged that it could be a year or more into your career and it could just end right then for you.

So, tell your recruiter, get your waiver and start studying for your Naval Reactors interview.
 

icarus

Registered User
see, here i am caught in the middle.

technically, i tried weed, as in, i made a half hearted attempt at smoking.

part of the issue is, i never even smoked a cig, so i actually didn't know how to inhale. (i'm strongly anti-smoke)

i'm still not sure i ever really did it "right."

christ, it's lame... "i never inhaled?"

honestly, it just felt too unatural to breath that **** into my mouth (this is coming from someone who jumps out of airplanes)

i understand the slippery slope argument... i'm not sure i buy it.

i don't want to make an issue of something that has nothing to be made an issue of, and i feel like that's exactly what i'm doing now.
 

Mcaf

Registered User
The investigators are alot smarter than you think. No they don't just go to whoever you put on your list. They first talk to your friends and slyly say things like, "oh while I'm in the area know any of his other friends, neighbors, etc." They work their way around to find that person that knows you but isn't willing to lie to the feds for you. They talked to my neighbors, friends, friends of friends, my boss, landlord, and classmates. Of course that was for a TS clearance, but as a fleet pilot you'll probably need one someday anyways.
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
pilot
! The kid didn't even smoke it! Telling uncle sam you never smoked weed is not the same as Gundecking a watch, Virtu. Give me a break. More than half of you jerks begged and pleaded and said what ever it took to get accepted into SNA so don't be hipocrits.
EngineGirl, you sell out!!!
 

usnmerritt

NSW land
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As far as the DSS security clearance interview goes, I can vouch for the life-raping it involves! I remember going into the office of the investigator on my wonderful day and he just let it all out. They knew stuff about me that I had honestly forgotten all about...like something I did in middle school and got sent to the principal's office for. Stuff like that was coming out that when asked, I really didn't remember. But after realizing just how in depth they went into my life, I felt completely drained leaving the office. I had absolutely nothing to hide yet felt so violated afterwards. Its like a prostate exam that is televised for the rest of the Fleet to see! :eek:

Point being, wrestle with whatever choice you need to make on your own, because it will ultimately be up to you. However, I think you've received some good advice on here and know now that whatever you have done in the past is fair game for your military career. That's why many people can't get in and look up to us. If this incident is that big of a deal to you, then you can probably rest assure that somehow DSS will find out about it. Primarily because they specifically look for drug use in the past. But, they may never know about it...its a risk you would have to take if you hid it from them. The reason I explained about my experience with DSS is because they came out with things I never would have imagined they would've taken the time to find out....I was caught completely off guard, which is the very point of the interview.

So, I would think long and hard, as if you're not already, about this and make a decision. But, whatever you decide, be firm in that decision and don't waiver around in it. It would look even more suspicious if you told them one thing but began to change your story later on. Then they would question EVERYTHING about you! In this business, there will ALWAYS be someone who's looking over your shoulder...prepare for that and you'll be just fine.

Anyway...my two cents.
 

wink

War Hoover NFO.
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Fly Navy didn't pass the popcorn so I can't resist commenting. I'm glad I didn't jump on until now since I got a feeling where some of you stand on this. I'm pleased the "tell the truth" mob is in the majority by a long shot. Then there is jg5343, whose most disappointing comment is that he truely beleives we all "said whatever it took" to get into the Navy. I think maybe he speaks for himself. So I am part of the tell the truth vote. And yes the investigators can find out stuff you never dreamed of. It is their job. They aren't digging that deep to find a pot smoker. They are looking for real security risk behavior or associations. So they stumble on the fact someone lied in a small way on the form they signed and swore was corect under penalty of law and what are they to think? What else did he lie about we haven't found yet? If he lied about this small thing can he be trusted to not lie about losing classified material? If he can rationalize lieing about such a small thing will he sign fraudulent documents because everyone does it and he got away with it before? Infreguent experimentation with pot like in this case is no big deal. Any other drug use is disqualifying.
 

EngineGirl

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icarus said:
see, here i am caught in the middle.

technically, i tried weed, as in, i made a half hearted attempt at smoking.

part of the issue is, i never even smoked a cig, so i actually didn't know how to inhale. (i'm strongly anti-smoke)

i'm still not sure i ever really did it "right."

christ, it's lame... "i never inhaled?"

honestly, it just felt too unatural to breath that **** into my mouth (this is coming from someone who jumps out of airplanes)

i understand the slippery slope argument... i'm not sure i buy it.

i don't want to make an issue of something that has nothing to be made an issue of, and i feel like that's exactly what i'm doing now.

Sounds like you are trying to justify something in your mind. Just tell your recruiter the whole story, and then you will never have to worry about something in your past coming pacst to haunt you. Plus, you'll have a clear concious.

EngineGirl
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
pilot
wink said:
Then there is jg5343, whose most disappointing comment is that he truely beleives we all "said whatever it took" to get into the Navy. I think maybe he speaks for himself.

All I was saying is that there are more of you on here, and you know who you are, that have not necessarily given the whole truth when asked about medical history, drug use, sexual prefrences, and what have you. I never lied about a single thing on my application as far as any of that goes. Whether it is morally right or not, bending the truth on your application to make it look better, i.e. LORs, will not make you a bad officer. I just spit the truth, if you don't like it, tough 5hit!
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
pilot
Dude, tell your recruiter. You are way too worried about it for it not be on there.
 

GTIGirlVR6

Registered User
Alright....so Im really interested now in this SECURITY investigation. Actually I am really worried. First of all, I couldn't find half of my friends now a days if you PAID me. Not to mention that some of them have gone WAAAY down hill, or maybe they were just that way all along? In anycase I know there are some people out there who would intentionally sabotage me (an Ex who a now a nuke sub-er, and his friends) how much of a threat does this pose????? How does this reflect on me???
 

jg5343

FLY NAVY...Divers need the work
pilot
OK, while I deserve tons of bad rep points for sounding like I have ZERO integrity, please have the balls to tell me who you are when you leave a neg. I don't retaliate with a negative, just like to know whos kicking me. I always sign mine, BTW.
So, since I was told to look up integrity, here is my homework:

in·teg·ri·ty (n-tgr-t) n.
1.Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2.The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3.The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.

HYPOCRISY! Look it up!
 

usnmerritt

NSW land
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GTIGirlVR6,

I don't think you need to worry about someone intentionally sabotaging your security investigation. These guys are obviously professionals at this and know what kind of information they are looking for...i.e., if ex-bubba is going to say you drew lines of cocaine while shooting porno with the local mayor after a church meeting, you should be fine. What I'm saying is that if someone makes some claim that is completely out of the context of the investigation, they will look into with a more skeptical eye...rather than hearing a repetitive group of people saying specific things about your past in unison. They have safeguards against this type of stuff, though I don't know what they are exactly. First of all, they probably won't interview your ex, just for the fact that he's an ex...it complicates things. They probably have more of a reason to question him and his motives than they do you. But, like I said before, this investigation is MEANT to weed out the honest ones and the dishonest ones, so everything in your past is fair game. They came back to me with things that I honestly couldn't remember....which is common. When they do that, they're not looking for you to remember every single little event in your life completely, but that you don't hide it when confronted with questions about it. I simply told them that some of these things I hadn't thought about in years, and there was no problem.

So, I wouldn't worry about some lone person in your past trying to screw things up for you. If that were the case, I'm sure I have plenty of people that would love to see me fall for lack of progress through their own lives. The system actually does have safeguards for this type of sabotage and will work with you. After all, DSS WANTS to give you a clearance and get your file out of the way. The more problems they encounter, the more paperwork and time is required from them. Be as honest as you can on your security questionaire and then if they present additional information to you during your interview that they found through their investigation, don't hide it. My guy was really friendly about the whole thing and knew that you just can't remember every single thing in your life all at once. But, he did have a job to do and was required to put the pressure on me to see if I hid anything that he already knew. At the end, while I felt my anus was wrapped over my head, it all worked out fine and finished up smoothly.

But, and I do stress this point...the entire objective of the investigation, as someone said before, is to determine your trustworthiness and integrity for future application with highly sensitive and classified material. They take this very seriously, as they should, especially these days...with security being such a factor in everything. Anything and everything they can discover in your past is open for discussion and investigation. Go into the interview knowing that you have nothing to hide and everything will be fine. As with anything, this can also vary from one DSS agent to another, but should be fairly consistent. Maybe I just got the 'deluxe' treatment! :eek: If so, then you definitely don't have anything to worry about.

Hope this helps.
 

Red2

E-2 NFO. WTI. DH.
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After reading everyone's comments, it seems I was more of the exception than the rule. I got my secret clearance four years ago and never heard from any friends or family that they were interviewed by anyone. I was never called into anyone's office like unsmerrit either. For the people who did get the "special treatment", what clearance were you applying for? Also, when do aviators need to get a Top Secret clearance? BTW, I'm not asking because I have something to hide, I'm just curious.
 

virtu050

P-8 Bubba
pilot
yeah i don't recall my friends/family getting interviewed either... the security app itself was a pain though. I think if you're going subs or nuke swo or E-6 (sends nuke launch orders) then you require a "top secret" clearance... whereas everyone else has a "secret" clearance. correct me if i'm wrong.
 
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