Diversity... what you need to know

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

All,

I've been getting some good questions and discussions about diversity and submitting an application.

"Will NRC accept an applicant who is more diverse than me, even though I am more competitive than him/her? Should I change race on my application to a diverse one just so I can selected?"

For the record, get rid of this mentality immediately. If NRC has to pick between you and another applicant who is diverse, BUT you're more competitive, you're going to get selected.

Navy recruiting is simply looking for more diversity in the applicant selection pool, which ideally means a more diverse workforce. Regardless of race or gender, don't sweat about being selected because of your background. It's the stats (GPA, major, ASTB, etc etc.) that what counts the most, not your background.

I hope this makes sense to everyone out there.

 

[Renegade One]

"Will NRC accept an applicant who is more diverse than me, even though I am more competitive than him/her? Should I change race on my application to a diverse one just so I can selected?"

Just curious…how does one do that?

I understand that there are no "do overs", but had I identified myself earlier in life as "Norman-Irish/English-French Canadian (Catholic)"…would I now be CNO?

 

[picklesuit]

So, to fan flames, change variable to "Will big Navy pick a candidate who meets a diversity slot over me, who doesn't, all other things being equal?" And if so, what kind of verification of said diversity status does USN use? Can I list "Black" and say I identify as black so I put it? Or is there a 1 drop rule in effect?
Pickle

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

So, to fan flames, change variable to "Will big Navy pick a candidate who meets a diversity slot over me, who doesn't, all other things being equal?" And if so, what kind of verification of said diversity status does USN use? Can I list "Black" and say I identify as black so I put it? Or is there a 1 drop rule in effect?
Pickle

That's a better way of explaining it Pickle, thanks for the help.

To answer your second question, there isn't any. If you feel closely affiliated to AA, API, Hispanic, or others, go ahead and list it.

 

[Renegade One]

So, to fan flames, change variable to "Will big Navy pick a candidate who meets a diversity slot over me, who doesn't, all other things being equal?" And if so, what kind of verification of said diversity status does USN use? Can I list "Black" and say I identify as black so I put it? Or is there a 1 drop rule in effect?
Pickle

Not sure you can really get away with racial identities that aren't "substantiable"…even a diverse sounding family name has worked well in the past…but I think you have to have something.

But…I wonder if there isn't a whole new "unexplored territory" in terms of self-identifed GLBT groups? Would two otherwise equally qualified applicants be differentiated if one were to self-ID as "post-operative transgender"?

Don't be a hater here...

 

[PenguinGal]

But…I wonder if there isn't a whole new "unexplored territory" in terms of self-identifed GLBT groups? Would two otherwise equally qualified applicants be differentiated if one were to self-ID as "post-operative transgender"?

Don't be a hater here...

Not being a hater, but I was under the impression that transgender individuals were still considered PDQ from military service. Can someone with a more medical background confirm or deny?

 

[FormerRecruitingGuru]

Not sure you can really get away with racial identities that aren't "substantiable"…even a diverse sounding family name has worked well in the past…but I think you have to have something.

But…I wonder if there isn't a whole new "unexplored territory" in terms of self-identifed GLBT groups? Would two otherwise equally qualified applicants be differentiated if one were to self-ID as "post-operative transgender"?

Don't be a hater here...

I believe there was guidance on all of this. Let me find it and I'll get back to you.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

I believe there was guidance on all of this. Let me find it and I'll get back to you.

When they were talking about Bradley Manning the info that came out was that the military doesn't recognize those that are trying to go from one to the other.

 

[exNavyOffRec]

All,

I've been getting some good questions and discussions about diversity and submitting an application.

"Will NRC accept an applicant who is more diverse than me, even though I am more competitive than him/her? Should I change race on my application to a diverse one just so I can selected?"

For the record, get rid of this mentality immediately. If NRC has to pick between you and another applicant who is diverse, BUT you're more competitive, you're going to get selected.

Navy recruiting is simply looking for more diversity in the applicant selection pool, which ideally means a more diverse workforce. Regardless of race or gender, don't sweat about being selected because of your background. It's the stats (GPA, major, ASTB, etc etc.) that what counts the most, not your background.

I hope this makes sense to everyone out there.

To add to this not once when the selection results would come out did we look at those from my NRD and go "oh yeah, he/she was picked because he was diverse, you could look at the professional stats and see why he or she was picked.

 

[zippy]

Not sure you can really get away with racial identities that aren't "substantiable"…even a diverse sounding family name has worked well in the past…but I think you have to have something.

But…I wonder if there isn't a whole new "unexplored territory" in terms of self-identifed GLBT groups? Would two otherwise equally qualified applicants be differentiated if one were to self-ID as "post-operative transgender"?

Don't be a hater here...

Interesting question, but not sure if the military or society is geared up to progress far into the T realm, even though the advocacy groups are crying for it and make it seem like it should be an easy step. IMO, The military still has lingering issues from integrating women after all that they're still working on making a non-issue. It'll probably take an additional 20-30 years for something like that to become a reality if we use other western armed forces where transgendered service is allowed.

Talking to some of the flight students that are "out", it seems that the general consensus was to leave their orientation out of their application and letting their records speak for themselves without trying to become a litmus test for the selection boards so they wouldn't have to ever wonder if they were accepted or rejected on the grounds of their orientation.

 

[Renegade One]

Not being a hater, but I was under the impression that transgender individuals were still considered PDQ from military service. Can someone with a more medical background confirm or deny?

I believe there was guidance on all of this. Let me find it and I'll get back to you.

Interesting question, but not sure if the military or society is geared up to progress far into the T realm, even though the advocacy groups are crying for it and make it seem like it should be an easy step.

Everyone…please stop and stop now. I regret being flippant about a subject that is obviously "way more serious" than I knew.

No more research…no homework…no more replies needed. Sheesh…

Sincerely, Renegade One, (who at least one on-line genealogy site which (for a rather large fee) has correctly identified as the long-lost Marquis de la Cadena of Nueva Espana/Mexico, true blood-line heir apparent to the Kingdom of Castile and León.)

Crud…I could have done something with that had I know earlier...

 

[Steve Wilkins]

Can you be an African American that emigrated here from Cuba? Just wondering.

 

[Flash]

So, to fan flames, change variable to "Will big Navy pick a candidate who meets a diversity slot over me, who doesn't, all other things being equal?" And if so, what kind of verification of said diversity status does USN use? Can I list "Black" and say I identify as black so I put it? Or is there a 1 drop rule in effect?
Pickle

I believe there was guidance on all of this. Let me find it and I'll get back to you.

One of my flight docs was officially 'Hispanic' because one of his great-grandparents was, I believe he mentioned him being 1/8th 'minority' was the min to be considered that. Not sure if it was for getting into USUHS or something standard across the board.

 

[Renegade One]

Can you be an African American that emigrated here from Cuba? Just wondering.

Don't see why not...

 

[Spekkio]

Can you be an African American that emigrated here from Cuba? Just wondering.

How can you be 'African American' if you didn't emigrate from a country in Africa???