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CV Marshal stack question
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Do you understand radials off of a NAVAID (TACAN/VOR)? Marshal is defined as A bearing, distance, and altitude fix designated by CATCC from which pilots will orient holding
and from which initial approach will commence. Figure it's like a civilian holding pattern to an initial approach fix to a carrier landing.
and from which initial approach will commence. Figure it's like a civilian holding pattern to an initial approach fix to a carrier landing.
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Pick a radial typically no less than 30 degrees off final bearing (but can be more depending on location...the gulf). Marshall stack starts at 6k. Add 15 to get your DME. We hold in left hand turns. Leg length is your call, you need to be inbound at the fix as you commence on time at 250 kts.
ie: "110 marshal 250 angels 6 expected approach time +22, expected FB 095, say state."
So you hold on the 250 radial at 6K feet and 21 DME.
ie: "110 marshal 250 angels 6 expected approach time +22, expected FB 095, say state."
So you hold on the 250 radial at 6K feet and 21 DME.
And you do whateva it takes to push on time at your holding fix.
I used to see the jets with burner on at night, trying to hit their marshal time when late. If I had had a burner, would have seen mine quite a bit
I used to see the jets with burner on at night, trying to hit their marshal time when late. If I had had a burner, would have seen mine quite a bit
Which is why I just make short little turns and not worry about the math so much. My head hurts from the hangover I got from the night before, so it's just easier to fly circles until using the TLAR method for commencing.
Yes, I'm a very bad pilot.
No you're not ... you are a USN carrier pilot. You can't be "very" bad ...
You'll be amazed how easy holding and the "math" become the more you do it ... years of doing it .... and what was a "sweat" in the Navy became a "so what" in the airlines .... you've still got a lot of time.
CVA NATOPS (maybe CV now ... does that still exist??) used to have a visual depiction of Marshall ... in fact, if you fly off the ship, you should be conversant with the whole thing.
Everyone starts the approach from a different spot and a minute apart...the first guys pushes at 21nm and 6k, the second from 22 nm and 7k, the third from 23nm and 8k, etc. Everyone decends at 250 down to 1200' then make corrections to final bearing. We don't care about base recovery course (BRC) which is the way the ship is heading. It looks like a giant conga line at night. CATCC tends to take over and give vectors for spacing a lot or slow you down early to make the minute spacing work out.
NO, every start point is differnet and one minute apart.
6k/21DME
7k/22DME
8k/23DME...etc...
ATC works your approach speed +/- ten or twenty knots to get proper separation, which results in a landing about every 70 seconds Case III.
Mind you, you can Marchal Case III, push, get VFR underneath, call a See You at 10 nm and land Case I, too.
Here is a website I found through google.
www.navyair.com/CV_NATOPS_Manual.pdf
Any haji in a dhow could see this every night in the gulf.
www.navyair.com/CV_NATOPS_Manual.pdf
Any haji in a dhow could see this every night in the gulf.