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COVID-19

ABMD

Bullets don't fly without Supply
She is tele-meeting with patients, as per protocol.

An interesting thing is she now has waivers to practice medicine and to meet virtually with her patients who have returned to their home states for most of the nearby states. Couldn’t get them before.
My employer has one on staff to meet with employees to discuss everything from exercise and meal prep to full blown mental health. She was in a leadership call recently where she mentioned she is working 7 days a week 10-12 hours a day. Talking to some people multiple times a week.
 

Treetop Flyer

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Fuck everyone who pushed this snake oil and killed people.

Shamelessly plagiarized from a doctor on another forum:


It's not saying that HC or HC+AZ contributed to death. It's just saying they found a statistical correlation between HC only and death, but really no other statistical correlctions between HC, HC+AZ for death or ventilation or death after going on a ventilator.

But it is a non-randomized, retrospective analysis. So, not as iron-clad as a trial done in one hospital, with a single control.

This is absence of evidence that HC or HC+AZ helps, not necessarily evidence it hurts - if that makes sense
 

taxi1

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pilot
There's a fight going on among statisticians about the Stanford study arguing the exposure has been much more prevalent. Large scale testing will resolve the issue, but it is interesting to follow the lines of argument.

 

Treetop Flyer

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There's a fight going on among statisticians about the Stanford study arguing the exposure has been much more prevalent. Large scale testing will resolve the issue, but it is interesting to follow the lines of argument.

I’m still hopeful about that one. It seems a lot of small samples are showing similar results. In Italy, in Germany, in Boston both Chelsea and the homeless shelter.
 

wink

War Hoover NFO.
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Just like the pandemic information we get from COVID briefings and the press, information on hydroxychloroquine as a treatment is often lacking in relevance and detail. The strongest resistance to the pursuit of this treatment is political. Majority of the people most against it and eager to highlight any negative experiences with it hate Trump.

None of these stories say anything about dosing, when treatment began, condition of patients when treatment began, what existing risk factors they had, or even the exact medicines and in what combination were used. So, I say fuck anyone who believes any of these news stories are the definitive last word.

The most promising treatment I have read is hydroxychloroquine, not chloroquine as some "studies" have used, azithromycin and zinc sulfate. Zinc seems to be key. None of the recent articles posted here, to include the twitter linked AP article mention any use of zinc. The dose of HCQ is similar to what Is used for patients who take it for on label approved illness, like lupas. The azithromycin dose is normal as it is used to simply treat lung infection from damage done by the virus. Most of the success come from cases where treatment is started very early. Clearly that makes it a bit difficult to determine who gets well because of the treatment, or simply recovers as they would have without treatment. But you would get a good picture with a large enough sample. We now know pretty well what percent recover without hospitalization, go to hospital recover, or die.

If administered in dosages similar to on label use, no one should die from the drugs. You find very few serious docs currently treating COVID patients that think it is actually harmful when administered in proper doses. It is very inexpensive and readily available so early treatment with a HCQ treatment in acceptable doses is highly unlikely to do harm and can be sustained for days without breaking the bank. If it helps, great. If it doesn't, no worse off.
 

taxi1

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pilot
COVID 19 seems to involve the heart at times, which may make the patients more susceptible to HCQ side effects.

They are giving anti-coagulants to some patients.
 

taxi1

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pilot

Chuck recommends letting nature run its course.

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